Pardon, allow me to explain. I agree with your post largely, I only wished to address that aspect which I disagreed with Void.
Objectively? They really cant though. Their effort isn’t removed, neither is their time nor their skins being removed. It is a perceptual loss, one that is wholly because of what they choose to perceive rather than an actual loss that can be measured.
Blizzard once said they would remove the requirement for Ordon Sanctuary and look what happened.
There are many things Blizzard says and then they do differently. Trust is not something anyone should have in Blizzard. You play for what they offer and nothing more. If you try to read more deeply into things or try to form a bond you’re going to be disappointed.
As stated right above…that is an abstract statement about people making “Bring back MT” apperances. Threads. As far as “Do not reply to my threads” you don’t get to say that, you don’t get to actually have anything happen from it. I have my right to question and point out where you are WRONG in your “facts” or where I disagree with your opinion…
I wasn’t playing at the time, and I had no clue what the mage tower even was. But, that’s MY fault, and while I’m bummed I missed them, I accept it.
With the success the mage tower seemed to have, I sincerely hope they develop a “new” mage tower. Perhaps it’s this new SL Tower of the Damned or whatever it’s called will be similar. Mage Tower appears to have been a good challenge and was largely received well, so I think they need to build upon that.
But they can…because people spent time they could be doing something else doing the MT because blizz said they were removing it. If that effort was made moot by just being brought back, yeah it would actually be a problem. Best i can say relate is this:
Say your GF says she loves you, will cut some ex out of her life that is continually flirting with her, and then you find out she still talks to him…do you trust her or do you end it? Can you ever trust her to not talk with him again?
Yes extreme but that is trust broken no?
but blizz, or every company period, has to have a level of trust with their consumers. It is like any relationship. There is a mutual benefit to it, and a certain level of trust. We trust blizz to put out good content (something slipping away), to provide us access to the game we want to play outside of maintenance hours, and keep to what they say. Yes small things like, “hey we are taking flying away but since you want it still, we will change our minds on this and instead make you go through some hoops for it”. Or “We removed vanilla naxxramas and moved it to northrend back in WotLK days, but since you can’t get these armors anymore because transmog is a thing now, you can still get these apperances rarely through the BMAH.”
Note though, blizz has never said something is going away for good that was a limited time thing, and it came back in the same unaltered form, not once…and that is why we can trust them when they say something is going away.
Otherwise…why EVER bother with something they do and say when we know we can just get it later? That is the point, and why the MT appearances, the WoD weapons, and the MoP challenge modes are so coveted, because they are gone, and blizz kept that promise up. It breeds a sense of accomplishment, and when you take that away, all those appearances are nothing more than the equivalent of mythic raid appearances after 3 expansions…trivial and mean nothing.
This. Development time is better spent making a new challenge than tuning an old challenge to be done after a stat and possibly level squish and removal of key artifact abilities and legendaries.
I do support bringing the challenges back so people can see the story, but the rewards should remain limited to the expansion when it was current.
Ok, I just thought with the quick response you jumped the gun.
I do believe in a Live Q&A Ion did mention that a large majority of players obtained at least 1 mage tower appearance when talking about how much of a success it was.
Though I still want to make my point again that most people will feel (whether they did it or not, I didn’t do the MoP or WoD Challenge Dungeons nor do I feel they should return, just like the skins I missed out on in the Mage Tower) that pre-patch and challenge mode content should be time limited and not return. This is because we know with Pre-Patch content that its there for a short window like always. As for the challenge mode content there has always been the pattern of it staying expansion exclusive and at the end of the expansion it gets easier for others dont have the high skill to obtain them at the beginning. (This will soon be the case with M+ being Challenge Mode Content now with seasonal rewards locked behind it). As well as the fact the devs state this content will be removed by X Date or later, get them now or never from day 1.
Now whats the difference between Challenge Mode content and Mythic Raiding is that Raiding is part of gear progression and gets miles easier with each tier and that raids aren’t intended to be removed (Naxx 40 was the exception because of the Nerubian raid being unfinished for launch) and has always been the case that an expansion or two later you can solo it for Transmog or Fun.
Challenge Mode content on the other hand was designed with the express purpose that it will be removed and/or achievements/transmog associated with it (I do however think it would be nice to have the scenarios back but that they won’t provide the artifact skins because they did have some story to them) by the expansions end.
Also note, every interaction we do in life has a level of trust in it. You trust someone to not go full psycho and start hurting people.
You trust cops to do their job if someone does.
You trust every person on the road to follow the laws of traffic and run into your car.
You trust your boss to not just fire you when you work in a right to work state.
You trust someone your with to be just with you.
You trust the food preparers to not spit in your food you just bought.
Everything has trust, and when trust is broken, things go bad. Companies that betray that trust go away, or pay heavy prices with years of making things up to customers…
I haven’t read the entire thread, so i guess my bad? Ngl the entitlement that people have bothers me just a little. You aren’t entitled to mage tower appearances considering you had so long to get it, if they didn’t get it, oh well. Move on
You are right about both their entitlement and not being entitled to it. But people like OP and the people crying about the MT appearances won’t understand willingly or unwillingly that it is entitlement.
You seem mad, perhaps you were bad in legion? Its ok dont worry champ next time limited armor or weapons youll be able to get it done. If not thats ok ill get it done because i put in the effort to get the things i want.
Your argument doesn’t make sense. Your comparing raids which are designed with the knowledge players will farm them later to challenges that are specifically designed to be difficult and only appear for the time that the content is relevant.
As I said in your previous thread for the same issue: the fact that you and others believe a simple slider scale will do the trick belies a deep misunderstanding of what went on in those mage tower scenarios.
No one ever said I want the skins given to me now! They are asking for in the future may they have the ability to earn these things or stuff that looks like these things for a limited time in a rotational time window.
They are also asking Blizzard, not you. If you agree with it or not in the end it’s up to Blizzard.
The skins were for artifact weapons being used during Legion. If you didn’t play Legion, you didn’t use the artifact weapon, level the weapon, curse over a bad relic, rejoice when you got your BiS.
If you didn’t play the expansion with the weapon, you don’t deserve the skin some people spent hours (mostly cursing on repeat) earning.
I repeat (and I know this will flare-up a lot of entitlement-itis): you. don’t. deserve. to. have. it.
I repeat (and I know this will flare-up a lot of entitlement-itis): you. don’t. deserve. to. have. it.
Well dam Bliz really need to get on the ball and remove all the myhtic weapons and armor ppl have that they got after the raid/dungeon/world boss’s are now basically trash and don’t forget all the mounts !
But you can still do all those things, You can earn most of the legion skins for the weapon. I grant you it is not at all as hard but there is still a grindy challenge there.
People are not asking for a easy “hand it to me solution” they are actually asking to work just as hard if not more for the chance to get what you got. That’s not entitlement, that’s just asking to join in.
But it is entitlement to ask a company to go against their word because you didn’t or couldn’t do something in time
as in: You feel entitled to getting the appearances outside of the window of opportunity because you could not get it within the window of opportunity, in spite of all the others that DID get the appearances. This puts that your need or want is above importance for what the others said and did…and thus…entitlement.