Yeah playing alliance meant something to me. It gave my character an identity and a part to play in the grand scheme of things.
Now choosing horde or alliance is no more than a cosmetic transmog.
What next the Sith and the Jedi break bread together.
I miss PvP servers, that added element of danger made the world more real and the game more interesting. Dying never bothered me.
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More and more Horde are seeing this. Thrall is a puppet of alliance, he always was.
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Making the Horde evil is actually the lazy way we got to where we are. The whole point was neither side was evil but had irreconcilable differences. Horde needs wood, chops down Night Elf sacred forest. Who has claim on Lordaeron? The living remnants, or the unliving ones?
A good story makes these gray areas for a player to pick and choose what they think is better. This is why I supported the burning of Teldrassil, it was a nakedly evil act, but the Horde player was allowed to choose if they were for or against it. The Alliance should have destroyed Undercity, utterly. Poor Jeremiah and his roaches who never hurt anyone lost forever.
Then The Alliance should have moved on to Thunder bluff, because it is a softer target than Orgrimmar and Quelāthalas. Now Baine, who was not supportive of the war to start, is put right in the middle of it because of his membership with the Horde.
where would we get our burgers n steak then?!
They should make it a thing again, or remove faction difference all together. Not sure how War mode would work.
As it stands, itās just another part of old WoW thats held together with duct-tape and a sign.
People often say that āthe factions get along now, so that doesnāt make sense.ā Butā¦
Writing the story to contradict a core foundation of the game seems a bit strange to me.
Why would you stand with someone that hated your kind and saw you as little more than cannon fodder? I can see Orcs and maybe even Tauren standing with Garrosh but he thought all other races were insects to be crushed.
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I gotta go the opposite direction. Remove assigned faction at birth altogether. Relegate them to voluntary PVP factions. Remove the racial component. As Taran Zhu said, itās little more than a race war.
Iām reminded of the part of the Wandering Isle story where alliance captain tells the horde sheās about to put them back in chains, which is absolutely NOT something we need to be promoting.
The entire factional conflict must be purged. Itās the only way.
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Why? It is not promoted as a good thing. Did you misunderstand this is a negative thing and was intended to put that character in a negative context?
The entire game conditions an alliance player to want to murder horde(and the reverse). They even have achievements for doing it, down to murdering X number of each race.
It was a faction pride moment, not a line to make that character look bad.
Iām over it, at least as an actual gameplay thing. Like if you want it in the story mix thatās fine, but as far as the game itself Iām full blown āget rid of the text chat filterā and think one of the worst things of the old era was Blizz trying to coax players into seeing each other as rivals based on a character sheet binary.
Like they were all āshockedā at that one metal band guy on stage at Blizzcon calling Alliance players all kinds of profanities long ago, but that was the sort of discourse they encouraged through their writing.
Also, I never again want to see lore discourse turned into everyone spouting apologia for their sideās war crimes and calling the other faction worse. āWhoās The Bigger Hitlerā era of Cata-WoD was just the worst time to be in the story side of the fandom.
Absolutely. And itās not like you can just nope out of it without making some ridiculous sacrifices like never leaving a lvl 20 zone.
The faction war never made sense after Reign of Chaos and about 90% of the faction conflict was shoehorned to the detriment of the gameās plots
An all-out faction war is pointless if every other expac involves us coming together to fight together. Its better off if small conflicts exist which take a Horde vs. Alliance idea - but the days of BFA are long gone and not to return.
Alterac in vanilla could work, barely, if it remained small scale but the devs wanted superpower politics and thatās just boring
Which is why smaller scale would be a better idea or inner faction turmoil (Explorers League vs. Reliquaryā¦SI:7 vs. Deathstalkers, etc.)
Thereās also the slight matter that Blizzard isnāt going to do massive changes to the gameās mechanical underpinning for the sake of story, and everybody knows it. Thereās only so many times you can say āwell the Alliance allowed the Horde to keep existing if it promised to play niceā or ādamn the Alliance nearly got Tauren to change sidesā in the lore because we know the affect it would have on players would be immense. These fake-outs only exist to try to keep the plot interesting when we know that one faction is never going to crush and abolish the other, and no races will ever change teams.
Ironically, you could more easily do these things if you had no faction restrictions on gameplay at all (e.g undead players in Stormwind and gnomes in Orgrimmar).
Tauren? I thought the Blood elves would be more likely since theyve threatened to do it twice(?) now in lore.
Itās part of what just made me not give a damn about Dalaran about an hour into the TOT patch. There was no way they were moving an entire race out of its faction so the whole plot beat is just basically hollow.
A game where the factions didnāt exist as a gameplay straight jacket might justify the possibility of swapping sides, changing alliances, defectors and so on, but as it is itās impossible.
Precisely. Faction war stories are a trap of bad writing unless first we have an era of peace long enough to remove all gameplay impacts and turn players into a homogenous mass distanced from the factions. Which is sort of the direction theyāve been headed.
Once we get to the point where I am no longer āpart of the Hordeā so much as a mercenary who works with the Horde sometimes, thatās when you could have a faction war with actual stakes.
The most lazy, boring, played out storyline they could do