Simply dont do mythic runs if you dont like them.
I never did one simply because i cant queue for it.
You have to use CC and so much more in m+
It’s just a lot more fast paced.
All CC gets used. Go watch a +23 or higher key on YouTube.
I’m not sure where all this “but do a 23” is coming from. I’d have no issues with a +23 dropping mythic raid loot if you time it. The problem is that you get near (or over if it wfs) mythic loot from failing a casual 10.
10s drop heroic level loot. And both are for casuals.
Doing a 15 in 8.3 will drop loot 5 ilvl below mythic. And weekly chest will drop 1 Mythic item.
By time some one gets fully mythic geared out from weekly chests almost all the raiders are farming 1st half of mythic raid which is also a joke outside of first few weeks.
Gear just doesn’t matter. Good players get decked out the fastest. Mediocre players get decked out the last.
Most bad players never get reach mythic average ilvl unless they buy mythic carries.
Look, I get that you’re probably just bad at the game, but “climbing your way from 0 to 10” is just lolworthy. 10’s are easy. You also don’t have to successfully time your 10, you can just fail your way through it for 2 hours to get your free mythic raid loot. You know what you get for failing a mythic boss? nothing but a repair bill.
A base ilvl that you rarely see due to the hugely increased wf/tf chance. I was decked out in 75% 440+ gear about 3-4 weeks after the new season started.
Again, base level that rarely actually ever is that low.
I realise reading comprehension isn’t your thing, so I’m just going to leave it at that.
i’ve never seen a warforge or titanforge out of hte weekly chest, it’s always 440. it’s usually the same pieces over and over again. don’t say it’s “rarely ever that low” when you know it’s not. it’s called the weekly chest of dissappointment for a reason, but a few people get lucky warforge or titanforged pieces out of it and brag and those statistical outliers get held up as the standard.
liar liar pants on fire. you get a 440 piece one time per week from the chest, and a 430 from the end of each 10+ you clear. so that’s a max of four 440 pieces and some 430s, and if your attitude here is the same in the game i’d ditch your group or kick you out of my key and take the downgrade.
you’re just a distilled jackhole preaching about how mythic raiders should be the only ones getting loot, and every other way to get gear is “lol welfare epics”
also thread necromancy is bad mmkay
I assume you’re trolling, but the weekly chest almost never doesn’t at least warforge.
Yeah, and you can spam run as much as you like. When you are continually running keys you are literally showered in loot, and extra loot from timing the keys. It is really easy to gear up, and fish for the warforge procs.
No. I think that the fact you can get mythic quality loot from not doing mythic level content is the problem. M+ is an infinitely repeatable source of loot. It completely destroys normal and heroic gear progression because it’s trivial compared to those content.
If you got mythic quality loot from 3 chesting a 15, that’d be more appropriate to the effort put in. But the spammable loot from 10 and below is just a joke.
I get why people are desperate to defend M+ - a trivially easy source of some of the best loot in the game that you can spam as much as you like vs co-ordinated once a week content that you only get rewards from if you don’t fail it - of course everyone wants the easy path. Doesn’t make it good for the game.
This thread has had an ongoing discussion for 12 months and it’s still relevant. It’s hardly a necro.
I made a thread the other day about how we need megadungeons in shadowlands. Lots of megadungeons. And they ought to be rewarded better than Operation Mechagon.
not trolling at all. i’ve gotten a cloak two weeks in a row. before that i got a ring with a socket, but still 440. before that i got the same exact 440 bracers, for FIVE weeks in a row. i’ve gotten two titanforged items in the entire time i’ve been playing BFA. one is one of my rings and it actually did come out of the weekly chest. the only one i’ve seen. the other titanforged i have is from raid.
you can also get no loot. i get loot from mythic keystone dungeons maybe every fifth run, the rest of the time it’s gold and azerite power, which i don’t get anymore since my neck is at 70. i buy two bonus roll tokens every week, haven’t seen anything but gold for them since before thanksgiving.
you are vastly over-exxagerating how common titanforging is and how “spammable” keys are.
it doesn’t do a thing to normal and heroic gear progression. nobody is making you do keys. i recently levelled a pally alt, and i get more gear upgrades and get them faster and more often in normal and heroic raid than i ever have in keys on any character.
you want one progression path to be over the other and can’t seem to stand them being side by side.
Mythic chests are ALWAYS a warforge at least, which is why it’s at least 440. 450 as a titan is rare, which is what I think he was going for.
But I’ll repeat, this is heroic quality loot, which heroic raids are laughable especially at the level of gear we’re at at the end of the season. Mythic raiders still get the better gear hands down, which is why 90% of bis gear drops from it.
Referring to m+ as being spammable is a conversation on its own. Hour for hour raiding is still the more efficient gear path. A fresh 8/8 clear can be accomplished much faster than 8 +10 runs, which is the equivalent in loot chances not including the weekly loot box. And yes, m+ players can do more than that in a week, but raiders have the same access to m+.
This guy thinks that normal ep is harder than m+, his credibility already went out the window.
When you are continuously being carried, it’s really easy. I PuG everything. Most of my M+ games, I am the one who carries. Upgrades on me are slow. I got some WF/TF but most of them are GARBAGE. I have vendor’d lots of ilevel 430s on my way to M+10. Now. I am vendoring a lot of ilevel 440s and up. M+10 loots are just equivalent to Heroic Raid loots and NOT MYTHIC RAID loots. And most of the time, I got nothing on 4x M+ runs. And add that 1x Weekly Cache where I get like 1 upgrade per 4 weeks. Where’s the easy?
That’s a lie. Exaggerated lie. I got ilevel 440 boots at the start of BFA. Up to now, I still use it. It means I vendor’d like more than 15x Boots. If WF/TF are high chance, why am I sitting with the same boots?
Show me you geared toon’s profile. Let me review your Mythic+ runs. Show me how easy Mythic+. Or you are just a LIE.
Lol, I see reading comprehension isn’t your strength either.
I’d say it’s par for the course. You said that m+ trivialized standard and heroic raid progression because the gear from m+ was so easy to get. Standard ep is scaled for ilvl 400. Do your m10+'s at 400. Go ahead.
LFR is 400, normal is 415
400 comes from M0s, 415 comes from a +5 and +6 and from the weekly chest from a +3.
How hard it is or isnt isnt the real issue with loot from M+ though it is that it is finally repeatable within a weekly raid lockout. In EP you have a shot at 8 bosses of loot per week (plus rerolls) in keys you ahve as many shots at loot as you do keys (plus rerolls)
I said what the dungeon is scaled for, not what ilvl gear the dungeon drops. Lfr is scaled for 385. Meaning the average ilvl of the raid should be equal to or exceeding for the average player to complete the content. This isn’t a complicated concept.
+10s don’t give mythic quality loot. They give heroic quality. Even the weekly chest isn’t mythic quality barring a wf/tf which are 10% for all content btw.
Also if someone is failing to time their +10s then their key gets downgraded and now they have to time their +9s to get it back to a 10. If this is the case then they probably find it challenging. It’s a face roll to someone who regularly does 15s but that isn’t everyone. I will agree that I think the scaling is a little messed up but conveniently they are fixing that in 8.3 so it goes all the way to 15.
How would you know?
Because I’ve done all of it.
Somehow I find that very hard to believe. If you actually did them, …
…you’d know better.
I guess we’ll find out, because they are scaling the rewards differently in 8.3.
Players still run them even after they don’t need the rewards. Players still run 11’s through 20s even though the rewards aren’t any better. Oddly enough, they are popular even when the rewards are diminished or non-existent. And I have a sneaking suspicion that they will be even more popular when the rewards are increased for doing higher keys. But, like I said…we will see in a couple of weeks.
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