Sounds like a you problem don’t like something don’t play it problem solved.
So only do normal, heroic or mythic 0 dungeons if you don’t want the m+ experience. The content you’re asking for exists in the game right now, you’re just making no effort to find and do it in the fashion you want to.
Well this thread is brand new…
So much this. +10 hearts
You’re just one of many who lack the basic reading comprehension skills to read the OP or any of the following posts. It’s sad really 
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The M+ mindset permeates all the various lower difficulties though. The
mindset. Along with “skips”, I hate skips because in random heroic/normal dungeons a skip is usually going to cause the run to take longer when someone pulls extra mobs than if the run was just done normally. I’m not against skips that have 100% success rate though lol.
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Stop necro’ing this dead post. Let it die. It’s a year old.
This thread has had an ongoing active discussion for a year now! It shows how relevant it still is, especially considering Shadowlands doesn’t seem to have taken any lessons on the 5 man Front 
1/10 for necro’ing a dead post.
Mythic+ is way way FAR FAR BETTER than old 5-man’s. I just did Classic. 5-man there has no replayability. Why would I do BRD, Scholo, Strat, DM N, DM E, DM W, LBRS and UBRS for the 10th time when I already have stuffs better than all its loots (Onyxia and Ragnaros on farm status more than 10 weeks now)? I just cant die on “NORMAL DIFFICULTY”. I am doing Mythic+10 on Retail regularly and mobs/bosses there are having a hard time killing me and you expect a Normal Difficulty Mobs/Bosses from Classic to kill me?
No, it really isn’t.
Of course you are. You can faceroll through one, don’t even have to beat the timer, and you get awarded up to mythic raid quality loot, for next to no effort.
You can bet that if the rewards were aligned with the difficulty(or the difficulty was aligned with the rewards) and weren’t infinitely spammable nowhere near as many people would be running them.
Easy source of mythic raid quality loot that you don’t even have to win at to get is popular? AMAZING!
Yeah, and the classic equivalent to M+10 is doing a DM north tribute run, but accidentally killing 3 of the guards, and getting awarded tier 2 from the chest.
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Wasn’t this supposed to be what Mechagon was? Mechagon is just a hard dungeon with it’s own rewards. It definitely fails in a few regards like it’s weekly lock out and it’s low ilvl gear given the difficulty of it but it’s basically what you are looking for in terms of experience.
We talking HoR, ToO, ZA, ZG or Stonecore here?
Yes, hard mode mechagon is a great example of what 5 man content should be going forward. Doing the challenge and getting everyone their mount was great fun.
The issue with it was that hard mode still dropped terrible ilvl loot, on a lock out, while m+ 10 is easier, spammable for far better loot and you still get loot for failing it’s core mechanic.
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I think the M+ system is great. It’s one of the few fun and challenging things about the game right now. The ability to grind out end game quality gear with 5 players is a godsend in this day and age. The fact that mythic raids require 20 people, have a weekly lockout, and lock you to specific groups is the absolute worst. Give me Mythic + over Mythic raiding any time.
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5 man content didn’t go downhill, it got better. The 5 man content like we used to have is still here, it’s an m0. Now we have m+ that drops heroic raid comparable loot. But if you don’t want to get involved in that and want to take your time, by all means get a group of like minded individuals and only do 0s. No one is stopping you. If that’s not good enough, leave the retail forums and play classic. The rest of us who actually enjoy the progression wow has made over the last 15 years will continue the regularly scheduled program.
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I understand. You suck on Mythic+.
Faceroll? I climb my way up from M+0 to M+10 now M+11 thru hardwork. Made a lot of mistakes, made a lot of failures and messed up a lot on lots of game mechanics but I kept on practicing, kept on correcting my mistakes, kept on improving myself, lessen my number of deaths, and eliminating death. I have come so far and I could say that I am now a better player. Yes, I beat timers by eliminating deaths. I just dont have to die. No need to rush the timer. Most of my successful runs has very few deaths. I love when I do the whole run without death on me. Yeah, I worked hard for it. No effort? YOU ARE WRONG. I bleed like everyone else on M+10.
You are NOOB. You dont know what you are talking about. Highest ilevel of Mythic+ loots is at Mythic+10… at base ilevel 430. You do Mythic +24, it doesnt matter, it would drop the same base ilevel 430. Mythic Raiding loots are at base ilevel 445. Mythic+ Loots are INFERIOR to Mythic Raid Loots. Mythic+10 Completion Weekly Cache drops at base ilevel 440. It’s still INFERIOR to ilevel 445 Mythic Raid Loots. You have lots of excuses to denounce M+. Just admit it. You cant reach high Mythic+ keys becoz you SUCK.
LOL. DM North Tribute Run is M+10? F uck no. Hunters can solo DM North. We sell carries to noobs becoz it’s SO EASY. Have to be Engineer to be able to open the upstairs door… Skip whole Bosses doing the regular Tribute Run. At Final Boss, watch Hunter Classic Soloing Dire Maul North on YouTube, that’s how we kill the FInal Boss and THAT’S SOLO. Classic 5-man are just Normal Difficulty. Look at the level difficulties below.
Normal - Classic 5-man are here
Heroic
Mythic+0
Mythic +2
Mythic +3
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Mythic +5
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Mythic +9
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Mythic +10 - I am here.
An M+10 player doing Normal difficulty on Classic? I dont die on Classic 5-man. Even if my group wipes, even if my feign death is on cd, I just cant die. Becoz it’s just on Normal Difficulty. One time, I offended 1 Classic player there becoz he thought I was showing off when my group wiped from UBRS’ Drakk and I didnt die. I just kited Drakk to his death.
Scholo, Strat, DM North? All on Normal? One of the reasons I left Classic and went back to BFA.
Wouldn’t mind badges being brought back for clearing 5 mans like the Wrath days.
You know I was thinking about this earlier, and maybe the oldschool sap/trap/pull style dungeon crawl could stand to make a return in it’s own little niche - with sprawling dungeons like we used to have in Classic.
Leave Mythic+ Short form as it is.
I suppose asking for both to exist concurrently might be asking for too much though.
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There’s nothing challenging about failing a 10 and getting mythic quality loot.
Time a 23 and tell me it’s not challenging.
+10 is for casuals.