Bring back 5mans

Are you even playing BFA? Warfronts, war campaign, island expeditions and continuing with mythic + is more content than any other expansion. Its not good content but its content.

I already explained to you there are websites that track this information. You also didnt bother reading statememts from blizzard executives.

You can go look them up yourself.

Clearly all you have to fall back on is your subjective opinion of “i played since beta and every mmo on the market”.

Which leads me to conclude you are potentially uneducated and unemployed. As all you do is play mmos.

I have no need to have further discussion with you because its all subjective nonsense and anecdotal at best.

That beef guy is a troll just report his post and move on and quit feeding the troll.

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Fair enough. I dont think i was claiming only 1-3% mythic raid, that was the number that complete the mythic raid. That 10% is significantly lower than AOTC as I indicated.

Sure, I don’t think anyone would argue that everyone who gets AoTC has a desire to progress in mythic, but a significant portion of the playerbase participates, not this “1%” that gets thrown around GD forums all too often.

Regardless, if you include all difficulties, the majority of the playerbase participates in raids.

Why do you think skill isn’t tied to “playing your class well”? (beating the timer).

When there is no timer, skill is less important.

So, they made an effort to make different content. How does that say that they are giving up on raid content? They would come out and say they are no longer developing raid content if that was the case.

This is purely your opinion my friend that you are trying to pass off as fact.

What statements? Third party websites are not 100% accurate either. Rough guess at best.

I don’t need to look anything up. I’m asking for you to provide the proof yourself to back up your claims. The burden of proof is on you.

Kind of like your entire posts?

Awesome ad hominem attack there.

This is exactly what we are trying to tell you. Your posts are full of personal attacks, speculation and anecdotal experiences that you are trying to pass off as facts. Who is the uneducated one here?

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Imagine not being in a rush to compete against a timer but rather down progressively harder and harder keys until you can’t progress any further. Basically I’m saying that if you finish a dungeon you should get a higher level key and eventually you’ll be unable to push further and that’s your break point.

Having a time limit to reach is bad for the game and only serves to promote toxic behavior in people because they don’t want to “waste their time”. I think removing the timer all together would be good and allow for better progression in mythic+ but that’s just my two cents.

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I can definitely imagine a set up where skill is less important, and why that appeals to so many people.

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Clearly you are just role playing here.

You really cant be this difficult to communicate with… no wonder you have played every mmo game ever made.

I don’t think having the right traits for aoe is skill but to each their own.

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Specific Azerite traits aren’t required to get your +10s done in time.

The new emissaries are single target btw. AOE spam fest is usually when you are running a 10 at 440 or higher.

Most people arent at 440 or higher yet.

Same in previous seasons. Once you close in on mythic level gear its an aoe fest.

Mods can you please step in here? This is getting out of hand!

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Agree with the OP, fix dungeons so they are fun like they used to be. Video gamers don’t want timers, restrictions, being told how to do something. Give me the dungeon, tell me what the loot is and let me go get it however I damn well choose.

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Imagine having to zone out to respec single target before every boss.

Imagine doing a +30 freehold where the havoc DH has to zone out to spec tank before 1st and 2nd boss to live 1 shot mechanics.

Imagine not having to deal with any challenging trash mechanics because you just CC everything and pull 1 mob at a time.

No thanks, I’ll take the timer.

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Yeah worst game play design being asked for in this thread.

People who honestly think mythic+ is just spamming AOE aren’t doing it.

Especially a week like we just had. Sanguine, grievous and fort - the trash can get out of hand real quick.

I would much rather blizzard doesnt dumb down content to the days of skull, X, square, star and moon again… ugghh

DISCLAIMER I’m not advocating for M+ removal. Just giving my feedback.

I’m not a fan of the timer or M+ as a whole because I feel like classes kind of had to sacrifice their uniqueness so they could be balanced around speed running dungeons.

As a fan of other MMOs, it is a lot of fun to play real support roles in dungeons. Those kind of classes can’t really exist in M+.

I play Lord of the Rings online and they have a class that is called a Captain. The class is true support, it’s primary role in dungeons is to buff the group. Their DPS is mediocre, their tank tree is just okay and their healing is probably the lowest in the game, but their buffs and utility is probably the best in the game. Every group dungeon is a lot easier with a Captain around and they are very desired for that reason.

This type of class could never exist in the current M+ meta, because if you don’t have decent DPS, no one is going to want you regardless of your utility. You sort of need both now in the current meta. Awesome dps and utility.

M+ isn’t going anywhere lol. Blizzard doesn’t remove content ever. Stop your hysteria.

This class also couldn’t exist in a non m+ “meta”.

As a DPS shaman in TBC I couldn’t get into a ton of dungeon groups. “Tank and Healer lf 3 dps. Hunter, Mage, Rogue only”.

If you didn’t have a hard CC, a ton of people didn’t want you.

They wanted to trivialize the dungeon through sap/traps/poly, because there was no timer, and no need to actually play WoW well.

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You have regular mythic dungeons which you are asking for.

Dont bother with the free handout loots and go run mythics like the first week the xpac launched. They were definitely not faceroll until pepple jumped to the full item level.

Except people will always take the handout loot and power up much quicker then traditional gearing formats and then complain its easy.

Just raid on a weekly basis and dont do mythic plus or other content. It will make the raid progression a lil slower and challenging.