Boomkin is extremely broken right now. Probably 20x stronger than ever other DPS spec when it comes to damage. Desperately needs nerfs but the devs are utterly clueless. But nothing was worse than 10.7 Rets. They did just as much damage and were unkillable. That is why like others have said lifetime 1200 players were getting 2400 titles by exploiting the over powered ret spec.
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you would see the same now with boomies/destros if ssn was ending and inflation was high…but since it has just started, rating is still low…doesnt make casters any less oppressive tho
Boomie is nothing like what ret was.
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I will agree, from my healer POV, Boomie and Fire mage feel just as frustrating as ret was pre-nerf. However, I much prefer playing my hpal in this caster meta. Mixed feelings about my rsham right now but I’m also garbage at rsham and very new to the spec.
You’re just fried man lol.
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So these are mostly good suggestions that i think everyone would want to agree with. However, to even think of comparing boomy or any class to 10.0.7 ret paladin just shows that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Boomy is the squishiest caster in the game and dies to paper. I haven’t lost to another boomy this entire season with the exception of a DC when my laptop overheated.
If you’re losing to boomy starfall and dots, youre playing incorrectly. All there is to it.
Also, while I think everyone would agree with the changes you mentioned, you’re so fried if you think any class is stronger than destro and sub rogue rn and you lose your right to have an opinion on balance.
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bizarre exaggeration, you must not have actually played much of 10.0.7, if at all
moonkin are in the same spot as other casters, which is for sure dominant af rn
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So i think that destro is a bit ahead of the pack, but boomy/demo/sp/fire mage/ele all have insanely powerful niche comps/roles.
In terms of melee, sub and enh are a tier above everything else (and most casters), and fdk, fury, all hunter specs, ret, feral are all strong. Even arms is fine, its just not the best class all around in the game anymore
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With the utmost respect, I don’t think Boomies are anywhere close to Rets in Feb-March. I joinned the “nerf rets” because ALL of their aspects were strong beyond compare back then. They had a literal CD oversaturation, answers to when other classes did not. I’ve seen people saying Balance Druids are OP rn, and while we are very strong I doubt we are immortal trucks at the speed of light. At the top of the ladder, though right now multi rank 1s aren’t playing above 2450 (the MMR cap is bad for everyone) things might be more of an issue, but casual / midladder boomies such as myself can still lose just as much as any other class. What I’m seeing ~1900 right now is even when not playing against multi rank 1s, the meta atm is just very bursty overall. Sure, we have very strong damage and with the CC changes and precog/owlkin interacting our control is a major community outcry atm, but I think our relative squishiness in the caster pool justifies this design in essence.
Our defensives are armor and self-heals mitigated by dampening, forced into bear form for long (not a good idea)= no damage, while other casters have huge shields and undispellable damage setups. Let alone with micro cc’s and endless melee mobility, we have to kite and manage cd’s perfectly to win, basically carry every round (and frankly I think Starfall is the worse build for shuffle, but that just might be my experience and I’m not a top player by any means. I’d much rather have survivability and reliance, they can nerf our dmg tbh but keep clone effective as its shorter range, I get we can play either aoe or setup atm)
Sure, number can be tweaked and nerfed later on, but I’m concerned about the coming Vigil nerf and how the meta will shape up. I think as we get more gear (hopefully people will be 1shotting less) Boomkin will stay pretty strong, but waiting to see how the season is handled overall. I want participation to be high ofc… let’s see what happens come 10.1.5. Edit: obviously balance is the healthiest state the game can be in, but how to achieve it is a complex conversation. I still have faith we’ll be a strong class after the ramp damage and clone are brought in line, but we need some spicy aspect or why pick us above other casters? What I’m worried about are overnerfs inc, the pendulum swing affects everyone. How to work it for both top and casual players? I couldn’t possibly devise the ultimate solution… doubt any one person can. Tweaks and changes. re-assess, again… etc.
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Sp/Demo, Turbo and RMP just dont exist I guess
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Yep. Just watched boomy/ww lose to sub/destro too at the top of EU. 
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Impossible
buddy i read the first couple sentences so we probably agree for the most part
but no one is reading that wall of tex
bro u cant be serious no offense…first of all, thats just simply not the case, 2nd of all…its a boomie vs boomie u are just comparing yourself to another boomkin :D…ur good, satisfied?
and is rly everyone just completely skipping through my whole post about how best specs in the game rn are boomie, destro, demo, sub rogue and enha because i compared to boomie to ret last ssn?
is that how is every boomie in this thread hard-coping with boomie being broken?
id like to express my sincere apologies, boomie is not like ret last ssn…can you get off that now?
boomie is still the best spec in the game and if u cant see it then check twitch and leaderboards before replying… i dont know what else to say…
check the amount of boomies, locks, rogues and enhas in top 100…
ofc they exist, they just get farmed by good boomie/sub rogue 10/10 times…as of right now im looking at some games…2.4 mmr there are boomie/rogue and boomie/ele qing, winning every game…only struggle is if they face each other 
It’s really similar, I don’t like balance, but I started playing, the “tranquility” to play with it and overperform is incredible… (seriously, you don’t even need a lot of dedication) the difference is that the ret went through 5 rounds of nerf in 3 weeks ( If I remember correctly the first one was a mere 3 days after the release of 0.7) , and now blizzard seems to have abandoned pvp and it doesn’t do a simple balancing in 2 weeks
exactly, nobody wants some crazy nerfs just make the game less frustrating…
its rly boring if only 4-5 specs get to play the game
If Balance has a tranquility to your playing it, you aren’t being targeted and are doing free damage. Boomy is much easier to shut down than any other caster atm, our survivability crumbles in dampening and our setups can be dispelled. Being chased, micro cc’ed, and bursted for 200k dps in every round is not fun gameplay by any means.
The situation you’re describing is the boomy’s opponents either AFKing or running in circles…
Okay, so you’re just wrong then. Name one caster with worse defensives/survivability than boomy.
I haven’t lost as other classes either, though. It’s almost like if you dont have your whole team stay out in starfall, punish the boomy when he pushes in for clones, and dispell dots accordingly the class is super easy to deal with and heal through.
Well you seem to think that boomy is stronger than warlock and sub rogue, which is just wrong man. Also, your comparison was insanely fried.
It is okay to be wrong.
Yes. And sub and destro are significantly stronger.
arguably sp/firemage/enh as well.
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All lock specs, all druid specs, all hunter specs, all shaman specs, sub rogue, both evoker specs, dh, ret, both war specs, fdk all viable and seeing play.