BM 45% Behind In AOE?

[Snozay-area-52]

@Rhenan-emerald-dream

So now that everyone agrees that BM AOE is not nearly good enough… has anyone from Blizzard even commented on it, “we see it and are specifically evaluating a short term fix”?

The hope is for some type of beast cleave buff next Tuesday but it won’t be anything major till those big changes

[Sphinxyii-lightbringer]

They have fixed it in the anniversary patch that is more than a month away. They know. I don’t understand why the are purposefully handicapping bm in season.

[Rhenan-emerald-dream]

Yeah for sure, that’s 100% what I mean by short term fix. Time is critical. Once you’re labeled by the public you’re cooked.

I remember a few expansions back when Feral was so bad, it couldn’t overcome the bottom feeder stigma even after some okay fixes.

[Snozay-area-52]

@Rhenan-emerald-dream

Yeah for sure, that’s 100% what I mean by short term fix. Time is critical. Once you’re labeled by the public you’re cooked.

I played all three specs during a world tour last night

BM was performing the worst.

MM was good

SV felt great.

[Sphinxyii-lightbringer]

What makes me mad is they have the fix and are withholding it. For an anniversary hype?

[Dekabe-area-52]

It’s always funny coming into these threads and seeing dozens of hidden posts by Snoozy, poor son of a gun’s got nothing else going on in his day

[Alkmar-dunemaul]

I switched to Surv, and doing loads more damage.

[Snozay-area-52]

@Dekabe-area-52

It’s always funny coming

Into a thread and trying to flex you blocked someone because you can’t refute points.

Are you related to Sphinx?

[Bluespirit-dunemaul (Bluespirit)]

It looks as though the 11.0.5 will fix BM damage, but we have to wait 8 weeks until a fix comes? I’m sorry this is poor.

[Sphinxyii-lightbringer]

Every class but Hunter got a mythic + tune yesterday except hunter. These devs are morons.

[Rathomarr-amanthul]

It won’t. Nothing in the 11.0.5 changes addresses the current BM cleave damage profile problem which is wholly due to the existence of Basilisk Collar and Blizz having to tune everything down due to single target concerns.

There’s no 11.0.5 patch note that says Kill Cleave, Beast Cleave, and Multi-shot now do increased damage.

[Zeus-elune]

This been posted over and over Can someone at blizzard WAKE UP and fix BM aoe this is becoming a J/k every season launch they have to mess with BM hunter AOE . we got to a good point and they just destroyed it

[Snozay-area-52]

@Rathomarr-amanthul

It won’t. Nothing in the 11.0.5 changes addresses the current BM cleave damage profile problem

As its been explained multiple times,

The 11.0.5 changes are major buffs for aoe.

[Sphinxyii-lightbringer]

Nothing in the 11.0.5 changes are happening before Tuesday. That is the issue.

[Powerplant-veknilash]

Agreed… S3/S4 BM hunters had some of the best AOE M+ dmg in the game and now tanks have better AOE damage.

[Rathomarr-amanthul]

@Snozay-area-52

As its been explained multiple times,

The 11.0.5 changes are major buffs for aoe.

No, it is not.

There is a some, minor AoE gain from the Dark Ranger re-work. Guess what, there’s an entire second hero tree. More importantly there are no changes to the base hunter class or spec tree that will substantially increase AoE/Cleave damage. Oh yay Kill Shot will hit two additional targets…that’s not going to make up the difference to the properly tuned M+ dps that are doubling your damage output on every trash pack except that one where you have CotW available. The lack of action on this from Blizzard is mind-blowing.

[Snozay-area-52]

@Rathomarr-amanthul

No, it is not.

Tell me you don’t understand the AC changes without telling me you don’t understand the AC changes.

[Rathomarr-amanthul]

@Snozay-area-52

Tell me you don’t understand the AC changes without telling me you don’t understand the AC changes.

How to tell everyone you don’t understand how AC currently works.

[Snozay-area-52]

@Rathomarr-amanthul

How to tell everyone you don’t understand how AC currently works.

Actually for you to tell everyone you dont know how AC works.

@Druwuîd-wild-growth

I’m not sure you understand exactly what’s happening with AC here.

Previously, AC reduced damage of your two pets by 35%, which means that combined your pets were doing 130% more damage. If a single pet is doing 100% of its damage and you subtract 35% from it you get 65%. If you have two pets doing 65% of normal damage then combined they’re performing 130% more damage. With the removal of the -35% from AC, you have two pets doing 100% for a total of what is basically 200% damage. All they’re doing is reducing the damage of abilities by 35% instead of doing it via an aura, which is huge. An aura nerf is always going to hurt more than a simple ability nerf, this is just how the game works. The 35% aura nerf also affected stuff like Dire Beast and Huntsmaster’s call, because its an aura. That aura affected everything that could be considered a pet.

Notably, this is a pretty big buff for Beast Cleave, and BM’s AoE has always been on the weaker side. Since AC is no longer nerfing pet auto attack damage, this is a buff to Beast Cleave, a buff Laceration (since there is no more aura reducing damage by 35%), a buff to Huntsmaster’s Call (since there is no aura reducing pet damage), a buff to the Bloodshed + Venomous Bite choice node combo (since Bloodshed increases pet damage by 15% and Venomous increases this by another 15%, even if Bloodshed is now doing 35% less instant damage), and its a buff to Bestial Wrath because there is no more aura reducing damage by 35%.

Trust me, this is a pretty huge deal and is going to go a long way towards improving BM, especially their AoE.

@Druwuîd-wild-growth

You seem to be not seeing all the talents that reduce Barbed Shot’s cool down. Barbed Scales causes Cobra Shots to reduce Barbed Shots cool down by 2 seconds, while Snakeskin Quiver gives your auto attacks a 15% chance to also cast a Cobra Shot. At the absolute worse, we’ll be casting Barbed Shot at the same rate as we are currently. At the best, we’ll be casting Barbed Shot more than we are currently and this will translate into more Stomps. This is also likely why Pack Tactics is getting buffed to increase passive focus regen by 125% up from 100%, because we’re going to be casting Barbed Shot more even if we don’t need the focus it provides.

[Woödsy-frostmourne]

@Rathomarr-amanthul

Nothing in the 11.0.5 changes addresses the current BM cleave damage profile problem

Me when I go on the internet and lie