Just a heads up, but he’s the kind that takes actual lore facts and dismiss them as “headcannon”.
Also, a few things I’ve seen around that are innacurate:
I saw someone claiming blood elves are addicted to magic. Every elf, in some degree, is dependant on magic regardless of what they are.
Blood/High elves are tied to the Sunwell and both can become wretched.
Nightborne depended on the Nightwell.
Highborne depended on the Well of Eternity and those that went on to form the Shen’dalar, were so desperate they started draining a demon for magic.
And you think those moonwells in Night elven towns are there only for decoration?
Also, I saw that the rename was decreed by Kael’thas. That’s no longer cannon. As per Chronicles, the High elves that dealt with the Scourge renamed that shortly after and before Kael’thas even managed to return.
At least we agree on soemthing. I didn’t have a point to argue at first. I made a post answering to the OP and someone decided to “fight it” for whatever reason.
Yes. The story also states that trolls live on an empire in Zandalar. Does that automatically erase from existance every other troll tribe?.
There’s quite a difference between saying “Most” High elves left (which is true) and High Elves “as a whole” (which is not the case).
Devs stated the fel effect would wear off.
Ergo, you’ll see their eye color proper in the future.
high elves and blood elves are the same.
Ergo, blood elves should have blue eyes.
I find it funny that you and your group are so hawkish over appearance of a playable race that is the same as the race you want to play.
Get a red background.
Your comparison doesn’t work very well.
For example, Zandalari trolls attacked the Horde/Alliance during MoP, but those Zandalari trolls were not representative of the Zandalari Empire as they were working for Zul and NOT King Rastakhan.
As such, you wouldn’t say the Zandalari attacked during MoP, you would state Zul’s sect of Zandalari attacked.
This is semantics for the sake of semantics. If someone states the high elves left the alliance in WC2, it is referring to how the official stance of the kingdom and the mass majority of its citizens acted. This does not dismiss those remnants that remained with the alliance.
So…why the argument over semantics? If it is clear you understood what was being stated. It just looks contrarian.
I wasn’t refering to any attack or event. I was making a comparison on how your statement “The story states the high elves left” did not, in any way, contradict or deny the fact that the story also says some high elves didn’t left.
“Semantics” as you put it, mean the difference between stating a true fact, and stating a false fact. When someone is saying something that directly contradicts what actually happened, that person is, in the best case scenario mistaken, in the worst case scenario purposely and knowingly spreading false information.
Yes, I clearly undestood the statement. “High Elves as a whole officially left the alliance” was the clear statement, clearly understood. This statement is clearly wrong.
If your question is “Why the argument”, the answer would be because If someone argues something I previously said, I wont simply accept false information as valid to counter my point. Furthermore I also don’t like false information to spread and cause even more confusion.
Yes, but they become Wretched when they consume too much mana, unlike the Nightborne where it’s if they consume too little. We haven’t seen too much of what actually happens when they go without magic, but it’s been said to be extremely painful and potentially fatal.
The Wretched are elves(usually blood elves) that failed to control their innate addiction to magic, overindulging in arcane sources to the point of deformity and, often, insanity. Obsessed with obtaining and devouring magic, they are a danger to both themselves and others, and are usually too violent to surrender.
The Wretched are thin elves with thinning dark hair, a large bony forehead, claw like fingers and toes, blue eyes, and strange growths on their backs that glow with an eerie blue light. With the recovery of the Sunwell and Kael’thas summoning the Burning Legion, a new type of Wretched appeared. After the events of the War against the Lich King, some high elves also became Wretched.
Its been over a decade now. The sunwell is cleansing fel taint as evidenced by those with golden eyes who have a strong connection to the light
The same logic is applied to those with a strong connection to the arcane and the arcane part of the sunwell for blue eyes
For those that arent magically attuned to either arcane or the light to speed up the dissipation of the fel taint, or are warlocks, then green eyes works still
I did not stay you were, I was making a metaphor. Read the entirety of my statement to get an understanding of my overall point before you immediately respond. It is vexing when you try to argue the validation of semantics, then claim its not about semantics when it is.
Except that it doesn’t contradict in anyway. You are looking to argue for the sake of arguing, not because there is anything to actually argue.
You simply don’t like the way someone phrased it, even though, gramatically speaking, it takes into consideration both scenarios.
When the U.S. left Vietnam this does not necessarily mean ALL americans left the U.S.
The statement is a generic, historical one, and allows your view to co-exist, so why are you arguing or complaining about an issue that was never existing?
That is purely based on a perceived wrong, not an actual wrong.
It is not false information to state the high elves left the alliance in WC2.
It does not remove, ignore, or refute that some high elves remained with the alliance in WC2 such as Alleria and Vareesa.
You are arguing now for the sake of arguing, not because anything is there to argue and certainly not because of mis-information.
Per the lore since TBC, the sunwell is cleansing the effects of the Fel over time. Updating models is also a pain for WoW. Seriously.
Its like the dev interviews never happened where they stated “If you want to say the sunwell has cleansed you, then now you can have golden eyes.”.
Devs stated it specifically cleansed, not corrupted. This is headcanon
Has absolutely nothing to do with the arguments put forth.
Except for the fact it is lore friendly and has been since TBC per Blizzard. You have a habit of ignoring things when you don’t like them. Whether or not you like them is irrelevant.
90% of the Kingdom of Quel’Thalas. No numbers for casualties for helves outside it during the Third War. Probably not much better.
Not entirely. Belves were tainted by Fel, and now are being affected by the Light. Other than glowing eyes, this isn’t producing much of a difference biologically. In terms of culture, they’ve grown. After the Third War, belves created a society with a few new pillars; hedonism, jingoism, and pragmatism. Since the ending of BC, the more extreme values from those three have been tempered to avoid falling into the same pitfalls that Kael’thas fell into.
Well, there are a few reasons folks want helves.
Probably the biggest one is pure Nostalgia. Helves were always an Alliance race in the old games.
The second biggest (and the main reason I think it’s a fair request at all), is that Blizzard has gone out of it’s way to shove helves down the Alliance’s throat. Every other expansion (it seems), at least one patch features helves prominently. Wrath, MoP, and Legion each had a significant presence from the Silver Covenant, who are helves alligned with the Alliance.
Looking at the two reasons above, it’s hard to fault Alliance players for wanting helves. It isn’t just Nostalgia. At this point helves have been shown to be a continued part of the Alliance. I mean, even now I can go to the Stormwind Portal Chamber and watch a helf teaching other Alliance races how to use magic. There’s a helf in Boralus offering me portals to Warfront zones.
Sure, visually they’re hardly different from belves, but a lot of Allied Races fall into that category anyways. I remain convinced that if velves had been made from the Silver Covenant, we’d be in a much better place these days.
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