i’ve never said she wasn’t evil. my character is evil (my warlock) and its in his interests to follow her, so he did. i just ended up posting on this toon as i’m being called out for being horde and only horde when i’ve had alliance characters for years longer than i’ve had horde characters. give me a sec and i’ll switch back to him. lol
No… you are. You’re trying to argue legal concepts of the real world in a fantasy world based off of a single word. And considering the Horde hasn’t been brought up on any legal charges in game, you can’t do that.
It was a tragedy that was said to be mass murder/genocide, but keep in mind that a crap ton of Nelfs did get out. The novella tells us that. Refugees filled the entirety of Stormwind and spread all the way out the gates and down into Goldshire.
… it’s in the novella? Well I missed that. lol
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it’s not redefining, them stating it is genocide doesn’t MAKE it genoide, it only becomes genocide when the goals of the character match their claimed action
and maybe it was genocide and they just never bothered showing us in books or ingame…but then we have no way of seeing that and have to go with what IS ingame and in the books
otherwise writers can say that orcs have in door plumbing, and can you prove they don’t? no? then they do.
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At this point I think it’s kind of irrelevant what word we use, she may not have gone to war with the intention of killing them all, but she did deliberately set the tree on fire, knowing it would kill most or all of the elves left on it.
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Revenge, or outrage for not getting revenge, seems to be Blizzard’s only idea how an Alliance leader could make a heel-turn.
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so what qualifies as mass murder or genocide in the game exactly then?
what qualifies as murder? rape? assault?
how do you define good and evil?
theft? cheating? if we don’t apply real world concepts, how do you know what they mean by genocide?
mass murder and genocide aren’t the same thing, and i’ve no qualm with calling it mass murder as it stands
and idc if a total of 4 elves were harmed in the entire tree burning incident, if the intent was there it’s genocide…and if not it’s just mass murder
Yes love, they literally used the word genocide:
“Sylvanas Windrunner had committed genocide .”
You can still read the novellas…which were published by Blizzard, written by a Blizzard writer who is now officially part of the writing team of Blizzard. As if the quest line with hundreds of screaming NE burning alive wasn’t enough showing, you have authors literally TELLING its genocide and people still don’t get it.
And as long as there are threads where people try to minimize genocide, or the fact that Blizzard actually tried to imply genocide was plausibly deniable, I will keep posting the link.
if they call frostmourne an axe
does it become an axe?
they’re about to give sylvie a redemption arc and make tyrande a raid boss. i’d be more worried about that imo.
What atrocity did Garithos commit? Guy was a major prick, but as far as I am aware he didn’t go around slaughtering villagers or anything like that.
presumably he means imprisoning the blood elves for consorting with naga
even though the alternative was losing the position they were told to hold and failure to do so = desertion of duty
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I think its good for character development to delve into being hero’s and villians due to outside forces and how far they are pushed to the edge.
he sent the helves on suicide missions because he was so racist and then the alliance abandoned the helves so when arthas (another alliance hero) committed genocide against them they had no help. he is directly responsible for the helves being killed off.
edit: he is also the reason belves are horde, not alliance. and why helves for the alliance are most likely never happening.
Horrific leadership and he let his own personal vendettas interfere with his job, but it wasn’t an atrocity like purging Stratholme or razing Teldrassil.
imprisoning and planning to execute the remainder of a people isn’t an atrocity?
gotta have a home for it to count huh?
planning to kill 15% of a group seems rather…large
esp when it’s for having the audacity not to die
If they seriously made Tyrande a villain that would be a true disgrace to her character. She went from zero activity in the game to “poor me” to finally a badass.
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I think we’re missing a Tyrande montage somewhere. She’s hidden away someplace in Hyjal, jumping rope, lifting weights, drinking protein powder smoothies with raw eggs.
Then we cut to Malfurion, wherever he’s been hiding, practicing his lines: “Hush, Tyrande”. Or maybe, “Tryande, hush!”
This is factually incorrect. The High Elves of Quel’Thalas left the Alliance of Lordaeron on their own accord. It wasn’t until after Lordaeron was razed that Arthas and the Scourge attacked Quel’Thalas.
I don’t know about villainize… but they made her really really unbearable in Legion. I don’t think the story needs to make sense to make her a raid boss, I think most of us will be really happy to have any excuse to kill her.
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Look… that woman stood there for SO DAMN long as Horde raids came in and beat her senseless it only makes sense she’d get all grumpy. I’m surprised she hasn’t kicked that bum of a husband to the curb because of how neutral he always played it when they ganked her right in front of him.
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