I thought it was the leadership, Kael and his lieutenants, not all the elves as a whole. What chapter does he state “your people” in?
it’s a few seconds in but eh
nothing ever indicated it was just his ranking members, then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG0y9IPgW28
there was also a blue stating it in his no to high elves response, but what writers say is irrelevant unless it exists within the game/canon sources
the edit was because i was wrong, it wasn’t ALL of them…just the 15% they could get their hands on
Note that overall I agree with what Baine FINALLY did, but I’m super confused that the straw that broke his camel’s back was a corpse.
So… the Horde massacred NEs, burned Teldrassil, and blighted Undercity/Lordaeron… and he does nothing but grunt in disapproval.
??
We use the actual linguistical definitions and not what we, as a society, have turned them into concerning historical or legal changes.
You’re making this more complicated than it is and it’s a very strange hill to die on.
Yes they are. Only through our history and legal definitions has genocide changed.
I totally missed that when I read it! Thanks! 
Oh I know. I reference them often in these sorts of debates. I had just completely missed that line somehow!
NEs and worgen burning Orgrimmar, or Tyrande? The way you worded it, sounds like Tyrande had nothing to do with it, so why would anyone be okay with blaming Tyrande?
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genocide requires the deliberate effort to wipe out a group, per the linguistic defintion
so if the definition has changed to be a specific thing over time…and wow comes after those words came to mean specific things
why would we use antique definitions to determine what they mean?
what precisely is the purpose of language if you have to guess what someone means by a specific statement?
by your own claims there was no genocide prior to Germany, so if we’re going to use the old definitions the there is no genocide, and if we’re going to use the word genocide specifically why would we NOT use what it was coined as?
She said burn it! Literally!! How are you going on with this!? She knew there were citizens still on Teldrassil, that is deliberate.
Who are you claiming is the losing side?
yes yes, all murder is genocide
no one is saying she didn’t intentionally kill people or knowing engage in acts she knew would cause death
To be honest, I like the idea of killing off Tyrande and Malfurion, they’re both been written into oblivion just like Sylvanas.
I also hope we can cull all the plague of Human heroes that are polluting the in-game storyline starting with Turalyon as the Alliance should not be a Human and friends faction.
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Incorrect! That’s the historically updated definition. Originally, mass murder and genocide were synonymous with each other. It wasn’t until history happened, like the Holocaust, etc, that we turned genocide to mean “of a particular race or ethnic group.”
But regardless, you’re still trying to die on this hill when the novella itself says “genocide.” And I’m not sure as to why…
Because they are the base definition that can be applied generically throughout any science fiction or fantasy based story. Unless certain rules and laws and definitions are laid out in the backstory and history of that sci fi or fantasy universe, base definitions are the universal usage.
There are times where writers don’t use base, universal definitions, though usually it’s when they are trying to write some type of allegorical story. This is not.
I never said that. Genocide existed as synonymous with mass murder. That is what I said.
I thought it was the Forsaken that killed all the HE at Silvermoon.
You know, before they got “free”
Look I’m sorry you don’t like the direction, but blizz is having void/light be 2 sides of the same coin.
They have confirmed in game naru go thru phases of void/light
And Xalatath has acknowledged naru as wayward cousins.
Xalatath is a old god.
She sees Elune as an upstart goddess.
And if i could find the specifics she acknowledges elune as void related.
Elune is tied to the void.
it’s been the definition since the word genocide was coined in 1944, it was looser than it is today but intent was still very much a part of lemkin’s definition
unless you’re using a word that has only had one basic meaning throughout it’s entire history all of which involves INTENT
oh, my bad
in any case genocide as a term never existed prior to 1944
and mass murder has never been synonymous with mass murder, extermination and massacre were used in a similar
context to what we would use genocide today but mass murder was a separate thing
genocide didn’t EXIST as a term until after the holocaust, tf are you talking about we “changed it’s meaning”
even the word’s makeup REQUIRES killing a specific group, it’s not possible to engage in genocide while just randomly killing folks
I never said they weren’t.
Which has nothing to do with Elune. She’s not a Naaru.
Yes. Because she’s a full deity. I know the quote.
I specifically said She was both Light and Dark, rumored to have been there at the beginning of their existence.
None of what you said makes her a Void entity. And the questline that goes along with your quote shows she’s not one.
She’s the only full deity known to us in this universe. Specifically said so in Blizzard lore. I’m not sure why you refuse to acknowledge that.
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We’ll probably know in next expac. Calling it now, Elune is a rebel void lord!
Edit I also don’t think her being labeled as a “diety” by mortals makes her NOT a rebel void lord.
We not gonna talk about yrel for a second or two?
shes on draenor still in control!
Yes it very much was. Its root words are Greek and Latin to mean the act of killing people. As it was continued to be defined throughout history, it became much more specific.
I assume one of those was supposed to be “genocide.” And yes, it is. Might want to do some research on that, because my Oxford dictionary, my insanely huge thesaurus and online searches very much have “genocide” listed as a synonym.
Any you still have yet to explain to me why you’re still trying to die on this hill when it’s specifically stated in the novella that it was genocide.
But regardless, I need to get some sleep for work, so I have to bow out of this debate.
In a different timeline/bubble universe that’s collapsing onto itself and won’t exist soon. So there’s not much to talk about.
I hope we never know, would be out of character to reveal her… and seem underwhelming.
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SHES FILLED WITH DETERMINATION!