Blizzard trying to villainize Tyrande

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which is wholly irrelevant to her actions and motivations at the specific time.

all that matters when looking at any specific actions is the motivation for each step in that action, not an individuals personal beliefs or stance on…literally anything

no one is excusing crimes, you just can’t call something genocide if the intent isn’t genocide, even if it results in an extinction under literally every definition of genocide the INTENT is a huge factor
it’s what makes genocide so bloody hard to prosecute

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Nah this is supported by Xalatath’s comments on Elune + naru having light and void cycles.

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In her defense Sylvanas did not do it herself I just had to finish it off.

And in defense of Both a Deus ex machina stopped them but really.

The Goddess is the one who left Both in that state.

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Tell me she didn’t know that the Tree was going to burst from civilians

She knew what she was doing and the magnitude of what she was doing?

Yes, I knew it.Whether or not part of the plan did it with knowledge of cause.I could excuse the Horde but not Sylvanas.

By the time he said it, he knew what would happen.

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knowing that something will kill a huge portion of X population isn’t genocide, again it requires a specific intent, one that she did not have as the entire point of burning the tree was that occupation wasn’t an option, there was no intent or effort put into destroying the night elves as a group

again, mass murder even of a specific group is not inherently genocide

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If she has told Saurfang that she wanted to burn the tree from the get go then she wouldn’t have had his buy in.

She always had the intention of killing as many as possible, blizz just never revealed it until recently.

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aye? i must’ve missed that…i’ll have to go look for it later

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If you shoot a person and you didn’t plan on him, he stops being Homicide - even though you pointed at the head.

And I repeat if there was intention to destroy the Alliance as a group.

In fact listen to it from your own mouth.

What is more she was looking for death.

the purest form of genocide cause deaths without more.

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the alliance isn’t a race…or really anything specific
and genocide has never applied to political groups, nearly everything else but political groups are excluded from it

didn’t plan on him what? dying? then no it’s not homicide, it’s manslaughter
even if you were pointing at an area of the body with a high likelihood of killing

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that doesn’t say what you want it to say at all, you’re assuming it means specific things…and it very well could
but assumptions are not facts

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My dude, stop.

The writing team LITERALLY used the words : “Sylvanas Windrunner had committed genocide .”

Nothing you say can change what genocide means. Get a dictionary. Read the story written by Blizzard writers.

If you want to argue that we can’t take what Blizzard says as cannon, what is the point of any “lore” or any story telling put out by Blizzard? You can literally pretend anything is cannon if you can close your eyes and disregard the literal word chosen by a published author hired by Blizzard.

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I don’t mean something accidental or reflex act.

Once someone you hate, you take out the weapon and shoot him to kill.

You didn’t plan it but it’s still homicide.

It is the same with this genocide.

Besides she didn’t communicate it, maybe she planned it

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People get charged with manslaughter and reckless homicide all the time for “accidentally” killing others, especially if they willfully brandish weapons or put others in harms way. These people are delusional.

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lore and writers aren’t the same thing.
the word they choose to use has no bearing either, the acts and reasons that exist do
and then based upon those it becomes a series of various other things

because writers don’t determine the meaning of words

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Ok, done. Thats all you had to say.

Nothing else you say is worth reading.

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except we have no proof she planned to destroy them as a people and genocide requires intent…be it in part or as a whole
if they are destroyed as a secondary effect of any specific action it is not

and that’s not even remotely the same thing

she didn’t aim for civilians, she aimed for the tree and civilians got caught in it

and what you’re saying is very…very much planned and intentional homicide

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…oh cool, so if writers say that thunder bluff is on the ocean
does it become so?

do you seriously not know what lore is?

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Ho set a building on fire with people inside and is dead.

I am not a Homiside just destroyed the Building.

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So she aimed for the place were the civilians were but didn’t expect the civilians to get caught in it?
You’re kinda grasping at straws.

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depends entirely on intent and the specific situation
and can go either way
manslaughter or homicide

it’s not as clear cut as “welp people died therefore X”