Probably because he finally realized he might have been manipulated by Sylvanas. Which he was right from the start.
if 1. she’s dangerous like…extremely dangerous as old gods will devour their own ilk if it seems remotely useful
if 2. she’s useless and the night elves have never been granted actual aid from her so much as their belief may have allowed them to further their own means
it’d be…hilarious to see their faith ripped apart like that though…probably would lead to something insanely bad happening buuut
I am all for them to throw in some splitting into the alliance and give us some villains too, but Tyrande’s demonization just feels gratuitous, whatever way you look at it, she is more than right to seek retribution and justice for what was done to her people… to portray her as “vengeful” just feels dumb to me.
Was she supposed to shrug and say well it was all Sylvanas’ fault, the whole rest of the horde was just following orders and don’t have any blame on what transpired?
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I can’t think of a way to commit genocide without being evil.
If you, for example, are sterilizing an ethnic minority, you are doing it.
You mentioned that to stop believing in God would be a genocide to Christianity according to those terms.
If they are forced to stop believing in God through state media it would be.
If these people of their own choice do it, it is not.
the same is if a minority is restricted only by mestisage
The UN undoubtedly left it open to prosecute its enemies.
soyfangs essential thing since his son died is to say “muh honor muh honor muh honor” while trying to get himself killed however he could. the things he did were not honorable and the only reason he wasn’t executed for treason is because he ran scurrying to anduin to protect him. the only reason he did the makgora is so that he could have his “honorable” death. which he’s been suicidal and hoping to die since he became a major player in the story. 
does it only count for christianity though because media is doing a heck of job about other groups at this point.
he’s pretty upfront about it actually, it genuinely was because he felt the strike lacked honor
it’s not a manipulation problem, it’s a him being a moron problem
his “honor” led to consequences…very…very bad consequences
there’s little reason to believe that things wouldn’t have been relatively peaceful after
chances are the tree would’ve burned eventually though…night elves aren’t known to be broken when demigods die, let alone merely a druid
still his actions hastened it and is directly responsible for there being fewer night elves able to escape…as atleast had malfurion died they would’ve planned for the eventual assault on the tree and had plans for evacuation planned out for civilians
Eh… it’s more complex than that. But people don’t like seeing their orcs without the “RAWRKILLIT” so it’s not really worth arguing over.
you…really don’t understand how vague the U.N rules are
it requires zero force
ANY effort to destroy a group…peacefully and willingly or not is technically genocide under their rules and that is the problem with using it for…anything
convincing people to give up their faith or not teach their kids the faith? yup technically genocide, it’s irrelevant that it was entirely their choice and based on education
thrall was my favorite orc until he abandoned the horde with his cowardice. it’s not a matter of wanting “rawrkillit” it’s a matter of the fact that saurfang gave up but didn’t have the courage to end himself instead he put himself in every situation he could conceivably be in to get himself killed and then whined that he was still alive.
remains morally questionable,use the state apparatus to try to change the beliefs of the population.
That’s why there is that clause.
The term is Broad and it is terrible because we relate it to the Olocaust.
i’m a christian and you think it would be genocide if i had a child to not raise them them in the faith? 0.o
No, but if you go to a town and occupy your position to try to end the cult of those people through your economic and political power, yes.
doesn’t require a state sponsored effort.
at any rate sylvannas was attempted to destroy their will to fight by destroying something they value most (malfurion/the tree)
not trying to destroy them as a people, nor destroy their culture or religion
it’s mass murder and not genocide
and the key difference is the intentions behind the acts both under the U.N definitions and laws (in most nations atleast, i don’t know ALL of them) and how our language defines it it requires the specific intention of destroying them, not merely demoralizing
that most died is a…messy consequence but matters little when determining if it is or is not genocide
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NOP.Here you are wrong, she wanted to destroy not only the night elves but also the entire Alliance.
Pay more attention to the story.
She not only had those intentions for the elves but also for the people of the entire Alliance.
Destroy as nations and peoples all members of the Alliance.
if she had been smart she’d have blight bombed sw and raised them all as forsaken and then used them against the rest of the allaince.
no, she wanted to destroy the kaldorei will, not kill them all.
had she wanted to kill/destroy them or any other race she’s had plenty of opportunity and has enough tools to do it to the world over repeatedly
well…did, the exile thing might pose a few problems when even her own people are against her atm
she outright tells everyone what she’s doing
- execute malfurion, destroying the will to fight for the kaldorei
- occupy teldreassil
- hold them hostage to prevent any and all assaults against kalimdor and the horde as a whole
(the reason specifically being azerite)
it’s like controlling plutonium
but her goal was never an indiscriminate destruction of their people, there just wasn’t many viable options left when saurfang left malfurion standing
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they’re arguing against what sylvie herself has stated she wanted to do with it. and it’s all entirely soyfangs fault for not having the courage to keep to his word. it was his idea after all.
She wants to kill us all, not just elves or humans.
I declare war on life itself.
What you intend to achieve does not deny what you had to do to get it.
That you have a “laudable” Objective does not excuse you for the crimes you commit in achieving it.
Pay for these or not.
did you do the horde version of the pre patch?