Except Arthus also never stood under the Grand Alliance banner either. He stood under the Alliance of Lordaeron banner.
Yeah just how the whole plot of WoD involved against fighting and sabotaguing Garrosh so that we could take the fight to Garrosh to defeat him against Garrosh summoning the burning legion to… Save Garrosh from the burning legion that he was enslaving as soul batteries to destroy the world like the burning legion?
So we basically had a expansion built about fighting a douche that we ended up being unable to finish off because lore population reasons. But sure yeah, Gul’dan was evil, we already knew he was evil, we just got back from Cho’gall destorying the world and our quest… was not to finish the battery source, and spare the common orcs but to kill the common orcs and people, burn down and raze their homes, and then give a cackling Gul’dan a pat on the back and a free pony?
See that makes sense to normal people. However:
Kerrigan
AU Grom
I think you’re giving Blizz writing too much credit.
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alliance still try to argue that legion was somehow NOT an alliance expansion?
3 things contributed to me going horde at the end of legion
- burning the tree. FOR THE HORDE.
- the alliance whiners on the forums. i’d had enough.
- the fact that the alliance are constantly the ones who are in the spot light doing the right thing and having zero flaws.
if #3 changes with tyrande being a raid boss i’m all for it.
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yea killing defenseless civilians must have made horde players really proud of their faction
nobody on alliance wants this, though.
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do you notice what class i am? my oldest and most favorite toon is a dwarf paladin. i’ve done the lawful good goody two shoes thing since vanilla.
two words for you, my dude. BURN IT! 
Agreed. Hunt down Sylvanas all you want, totally for it. The view I was criticizing was the one that will preemptive strike the other faction just because you figure they’ll attack you eventually.
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Which is still considered part if the Alliance Factions history. Much in same way BlackHand’s and DoomHammer’s horde is tied to Horde faction as a whole.
people constantly justify aggression against orcs as justified due to the acts of the 1st and 2nd wars
and the AU/MU draenei are supposedly the same…like they think and act the same as far as everything has shown
when they got peace the Draenei immediately turned on their allies at the behest of the naaru
in any case the beauty of a council/group making choices is that one person wanting anything doesn’t matter, they have to convince the whole to act in a similar fashion
it’s why we’ve learned to favor democratic republics over monarchies even though they’re far…far slower and less efficient at getting things done
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It is only considered part of their history as in several members of the new alliance were members of it. Just like several members of the horde were also members of it.
I mean considering the horde has done it several times in the past, I’d say Tyrande is more than right. If the horde doesn’t get taken out, they will go on another bloody war in 2-3 years.
And that’s what I’m getting at with my statement. It was as a whole. Not just one chapter in their history. I understand your trying say Tyrande would be first “villain” under the modern alliance if story goes that way. What I’m saying is she in’t the first in the Alliance’s history over all.
There’s a part of that where tyrande resembles Sylvanas’ inability to save her people and instead of becoming undead, she’s become total darkness - which is such a straight up way to convey a “you want some black with your virtuous white, alliance?” mindset.
I agree: it’s setting up a character for potentially cool things ahead.
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except that they haven’t.
even garrosh’s bloodshed wasn’t HIM being the first to strike as theramore was being used as an excursion point for a substantial amount of time
the alliance has as a whole has dogged the horde constantly, the only exception ironically is the night elves who’ve mostly been in a defensive/border war with the horde where the orcs trespassed and never left
but using the latest conflict, what would you do if a foreign power attacked your countries leader during a time of peace?
the alliance isn’t some “never does wrong” faction, they’re just portrayed poorly
the majority of the conflicts between the horde and war are directly on the alliances shoulders, with the horde overreacting on a regular basis
I would wipe out all of the civilians of the race that had absolutely nothing to do with it and make them die a painful death in flames. The race that the horde had a treaty with to NOT invade their lands.
Also you can say that Genn only did it because Sylvanas killed his son and destroyed Gilneas.
Again the villain you are saying was never ever part of this Alliance. He was part of a DIFFRENT Alliance that some of the members of the current Alliance were in. Just like some of the members of the current Horde were also in it.
Also if you are looking for an Alliance villain you always have Staghelm, but he was always a minor character despite his official role of co-leader.
are the night elves part of the alliance or not?
did they oppose genn? did they try to stop the war? did they advice anduin to oppose genn’s actions?
the goal wasn’t to burn the bloody tree, it was to kill malfurion, saurfang failed that
answer the question, would you go to war with someone that attacked your leader during a peace treaty or not?
being part of an alliance means that when your allies attack someone and you don’t actively try to reign that in YOU’RE just as responsible, it’s one of those pesky problems with being on a team
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So you’re saying the genocide was justified?
Sylvanas knew that anduin was a peacemonger and that he’d never be a threat to the horde. She just used genn to manipulate Saurfang.
She wanted to burn the tree all along.
But is part of the faction history’s as a WHOLE. If he wasn’t part of their lore, like at all. Many including, Blizzard themselves wouldn’t be lumping Arthas into the Alliance side so much.
But well just agree to disagree on this point I guess.
What? Blizzard themselves called it Genocide.
Are you denying facts now? Typical horde players
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