Not anymore, my patience is 0 with some of these people.
The people coming in here for the first time are saying some pretty wrong things in the first place, and liking their own posts with alts to make it look like they have more support than they actually have.
I dont care if someone is new, I dont care if its the President, I dont care if its the strongest strongman in the world.
Chill does absolutely nothing because even if you are chill with good information the resulting posts are “you dont play the class so what do you know” and these are the people that say gcd is based off of weapon swing timer.
The only thing that was based off of weapon swing timer, base swing timer, was Killing Machine pre Legion which resulted in a % to proc KM per auto attack. It was straight forward, easy to balance because all they had to do was change ppm from 4-5 or just the opposite.
But lets just take the topic as true and that they stealth nerfed DW KM proc chance by more than 50% of its initial crit. They have to have this complicated convoluted system with internal protections just for the thing to work. 2h, just to compete needs an initial proc chance for the first crit to be 70% compared to what… DW 13%? Thats almost 7x the chance.
DW also has misses, take it any way you want, it feels bad to miss while the other option has a 0% miss chance. 2h still feels absolutely awful to play even with the tier set. RI falling off, no matter how great or minor of a loss it is which, feels awful and without that 8% crit ive sat there and sang the Jeopardy song waiting for a KM proc.
In DW with the tier set and the best possible crit and mastery I could get (~40% crit and 60% mastery and whatever haste comes from the tier set) Obliterates were around 15k ilvl 242. 2h I was able to get around 20k. Thats around 28% difference. Thats the max possible numbers my meter listed.
The dps was roughly equal between DW and 2h not taking in any factors like switching targets, having to run out, having to run across a boss room. Playing the tier set and looking at the boss fights, even if 2h is 8% ahead, I dont think it would have a place in the raid since almost everything had adds or target swap or movement. Factor that into RI falling off just passively with 2h frequently as people are saying in the ptr forums as well as my experience on the ptr with RI dropping off 15 seconds after my PoF window ended, its all going to add up and be pretty punishing.
When people are saying you might just have to run RI, is in these scenarios because outside of PoF even with DW RI is SLOW to stack up. Slower than just picking the talent and using it every 5-6 seconds whatever the CD is based on your haste.
On a side note which you dont see anyone talking about, Icy Talons with DW can be kept up close to 100% of time time in ST because of how frequently you get KM procs to fire off GA’s which contribute to Icy Talons uptime. Its only 15% attack speed so who knows what that actually translates to compared to Cold Heart and Inexorable Assault.
But its almost across the board people are so disappointed in the tier sets. Blood is a buggy mess, Unholy isnt fun and only really kicks in in Execute range since the rest of the time its just adding some pet damage, and frost has its problems too in M+ and in raids. It might look good on paper, but in practice its not that great.
Blood tier might look good on paper as well, but its only working off of melee hits and not any damage taken like its supposed to, in your DRW windows you have a lot of parries, which parries melee hits, so you arent getting these extra heart strikes, the extra heart strikes arent working with the 2pc, wonky stuff going on with CRW since you need bone shields to be consumed and the tier set wants parry to really work since the proc is based off of parry chance so the higher the parry the more damage you will do, but the more parry you have, the more you will parry, the less the proc happens because its not working as it says.
Its overall just a mess and basically everyone isnt happy with any of it it would seem. Havent seen any class buffs and no one is really talking about it or else it would be blasted everywhere.
Things I think they are just waiting to remake, Enhancement Shaman, DK and if they are going to do this DW / 2h thing, take a page out of the fury or monk book.
I also have a question floating around out there that hasnt been answered yet.
Where is the DW buff to bring 2h and DW in line if DW is in fact 8% behind. If the tier set is fixed one would expect it to be an even bigger gap, so where is the buffs? How do you buff DW without nerfing MotFW? If they do nerf MotFW its just going to piss off 2h players, BoS players are already erked, what about those DW players that like the increased KM proc chance and dont like BoS? See the issues with balance going on and possibly why they havent touched Frost Dk the entire expansion thus far just letting it play out until they can fix it next expansion. Kind of what happened in WoD where they just let it ride out there at the end with Unholy doing 50% more damage on some bosses looking at the best players out there. Unholy doing 50% more damage in WoD between the best players… thats absolutely horrid.
I cant think of a way to do any of this without just pissing off portions of Frosts playerbase. And thats why I hate the split of the spec and say its a detriment to it moving forward. 2h isnt needed to have the 2h playstyle. We have talents for that.
TLDR
Blood tier set is buggy
Unholy tier set is heavily stuffed into execute
Frost works but when applied to M+ or raids it has its problems.
How do you balance DW with 2h without pissing off some portion of the Frost playerbase?
