Blizzard Silently Nerfed Dual-Wield Killing Machine Proc Rate in Shadowlands

Classes Death Knight
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So my credibility can only go up.

And no, im not twisting your words, its what you said. Maybe learn to use your words a little better to say what you mean. You are contradicting yourself.

The 2p doesnt increase it enough it would seem if the stacks are falling off. Again you said people on the PTR were wrong about the stacks falling off. Thats what you said, time and time again. But when I showed you having these same concerns you are starting to get all flustered because you are saying the stacks falling off are fine. You said it several times in here without saying anything about the dps perspective. We were talking about the stacks falling off.

No, its not fine that they are falling off, you said so yourself in the PTR forums, as did just about everyone else WHO TESTED THE SET OUT. They say its bad, that you might as well run RI. You can have anywhere between 0-15% frost damage increase based on luck of the draw. You dont think thats fine?

Also, as I said with my tests with KM procs, DW basically has 40% of its auto attacks turn into KM procs, 75% with 2h. Even with that disparity DW STILL has a better proc rate because there are soooo much more that even people on the forums attested to just hours ago.

You said people are wrong for crying out loud.

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Says the person who has done nothing but talk about me for half of their posts on the forums. Congratulations.

And no, its been telling things how they are and you guys just dont like it. Fingers in ears screaming and trying to say im not allowed to post or say anything. If thats the case, you have even less right to say anything about the spec let alone anyone talking about it.

And what did you do, create an alt to like your own things?

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To clarify, I said it’s wrong to pick up razorice to maintain the stacks. I know the stacks are dropping, which is why I made that post on the PTR forums.

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This is news to me, where did you present these findings originally? Are you talking about crit auto attacks or all auto attacks?

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Kelliste you sound so mad in your posts, I’m not sure I understand why. Why do you dislike 2H and why do you keep arguing against me? I’m just trying to educate the community and help everyone both understand death knights better, and play better.

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I havent touched these forums in over a year, I check it, and it’s still the same dude spouting the same garbage. It’s honestly pretty surreal.

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You have the patience of a saint for putting up with them for so long. Thanks for the work you’ve put in to give DK math the attention it deserves and needs.

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No, you did not. You just said they were wrong, just flat out stated it. Your post on the PTR forums said nothing about any runeforges or otherwise. You just said “stacks are dropping from 2h fix it” thats the entire context of your post basically.

Earlier in this thread. Auto attack crits. 40% of DW critical autos, and 75% of 2h critical autos, end up being KM procs.

And yeah, I am annoyed. You say one thing, then in another thread say something else, and then say you meant this thing when you arent using the words or the context to say what you meant in those trying to make it out like im some idiot that doesnt know what you are talking about. Im taking what you are saying and applying it to what you are saying.

Ive stated why I dont like 2h, because its a DW spec, and things are not meshing well and all the complaints of people attest to that opinion. Its a pretty well rounded optinion. As you stated earlier you cant buff DW independently from 2h. Thats bad design if you are to split the spec in the way that you want.

I keep arguing against you because what you say doesnt make sense compared to what you say and how things are actually playing out.

So lets say they fix the 2h stacks not falling off… what do you suggest they do to bring up DW? If you are for the spec, and say the stacks not falling off makes 2h 16% ahead of DW, what do you propose to bring up DW 16% to be even? If you are for the community, for death knights everywhere, what do you think they should do to fix DW? Why should those playing DW, that is suggested you do in game from the specialization window with preferred weapons saying 1h axes swords and maces, what should they do? Buff up DW and nerf MotFW? You dont think that would piss off 2h players?

This is why im so against splitting the spec. Its detrimental to the spec overall, and if you are for the DK then get rid of 2h and just make the 2h playstyle within the spec itself. Its not needed to have this gameplay that people like. It just isnt. But people want 2h because of some superficial assumptions about the Dk.

Im tired of seeing the class/spec that I like going down the drains over some people that think what they want trumps lore and the design of the spec.

Oh, and if you want to educate people better, you better talk to that warlock in here that is just flat out wrong. Why didnt you? Saying the GCD is based off of swing timer is just blatantly false, yet you said nothing. Why?

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How is it garbage exactly? In fact talk about twisting words around, thats all you guys did to multiple people to get your way.

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This is indeed close to what I found. The effective proc rate is 33% for DW and 76% for 2H in my tests. Accounting for attack speed, DW gets 17.5% more natural KM procs.

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Wasn’t related to any relevant current mechanics.

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Its not relevant to current mechanics? Of course it is, they think its the current mechanics that weapon swing timer lowers your gcd when its actually haste and always been haste to my knowledge.

So someone, suggesting changes for the class, who is getting mechanics wrong, is not worth correcting? Ohhhhhh boy, thats just rich.

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I thought you were talking about wotlk-era mechanics no?

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I dont know where you would have gotten that from.

Is that correct? If so, why doesnt DW have vastly more abilities used than 2h since it has over double the attack rate?

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Of course it’s not correct. It looks like he does think GCD might be attached to attack speed. Could also mean something like blighted rune weapon from legion that applied wounds based off autos, not 100% sure if that was what it was called.

Honestly I wasn’t paying too much attention to the specific discussion since it was hypothetical talk about DW unholy, my bad.

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You mean the talent? That had a set number of wounds that could be put on the target (5 autos at 2 wounds each) and if you attacked too quickly then you couldnt use up all the wounds losing out on damage which throws DW out the window anyways and you would want to attack slower so that you could use up the wounds?

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Is it enough to offset the higher DW RP regeneration (longer Breaths) with Runic Attenuation? Or is there a difference in that formula too? Do these implications only apply to 9.2?

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Implies to all of Shadowlands. Only affects Killing Machine.

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I’m really curious to see how 2h frost develops, or if this change to the theorycrafting and simulations will affect covenant choice and build options. in 9.0, 2h Frost felt like a build that could use Night Fae and Kyrian pretty well, depending on the situation, but I’ve been out of the loop for so long that I’m not sure where it lands anymore.

My instincts tell me that Forgelight Prime, with the Sinful Gladiator Badge, and lining hard into the 1m might be good. Shackle is up at the 1m and always gets tagged by PoF, and SGB if you’re running it. Seems compelling, on a cursory glance.

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Dusted off my Dk and came to see what’s new and…Wow.

Biceps, thank you for crunching the numbers and being chill.

Kelliste, You seem to make some good points but good lord you need to chill a bit, any point you make is lost in the wave of hostility. You can disagree with someone without it turning into a rage fest.

People coming here for the first time will write off any good info you have just because you come across as so hostile.

Not dogging you, just think you might benefit from a bit more chill is all.

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