Blizzard Silently Nerfed Dual-Wield Killing Machine Proc Rate in Shadowlands

Classes Death Knight
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I make the same question to you. Why back yourself into a corner to where your only option is to nerf MotFW to balance 2h and DW?

Its just a stupid idea. Sorry, but there isnt any other way to put it.

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Why is it stupid? it’s a direct ability they can adjust to balance DW vs 2H, doesn’t get more simple than that?

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Im not repeating myself. My point was clear.

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Apparently not
 Anyone else getting why MoTFW is stupid according to Kelliste?

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You’re better off banging your head into a wall rather than trying to follow Kell’s logic.

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The answer is, you don’t.

As in, leave MotFW alone and let it be a tuning factor against DW. This should not sway you to go 2H.

2H and DW are having a healthy competition in ST while DW is ahead in AoE for a good reason.

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So far I have:

  1. You can only balance DW vs 2H by nerfing 2H (incorrect)
  2. 2H will be annoyed when they nerf 2H (obvious and I’m not sure why it matters?)
  3. We see less tuning because of DW vs 2H (seen 0 evidence of this being presented, doesn’t sound realistic to me)
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So if 2h is ever ahead of DW, you dont do anything and just tell a whole group of people to suck a rotten egg?

I dont know what’s so hard to understand here.

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Wrong. I even gave you a scenario that you completely ignored. Good job. Ignore stuff then play stupid. Done talking with your.

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If 2h is ahead of DW in ST, it should be fine.

If 2h is ahead of DW in EVERYTHING, it’s not and will never be the case.

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Are you talking about this bit? MoTFW seems like a great tool in this scenario to equalise the weapon choices no? In a similar way, if DW was ahead by 8% you could just use MoTFW to buff 2H and voila, balanced easily.

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2H spent years saying what about 2h. So why can’t i use the same argument? What about DW though?

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Alright, so reversely.

If DW is ahead of 2h in AoE and Rot damage, it should be fine.

If DW is ahead of 2h in EVERYTHING, it’s not.

Notice a pattern?

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Why not strive to make it all equal so you dont have to worry about it?

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Question to you Kelliste. Let’s assume we remove MoTFW. How would you balance 2H vs DW in that case?

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Because absolute balance brings boredom; equalizing the two subspecs will remove variety.

People like being powerful, in case you forget and big Obliterates that many remembers about 2H is just that. It’s an opportunity cost for a stronger Obliterate scaling at the cost of everything else.

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You cant use the talent system to add that playstyle variety? The thing the talent system is supposed to do?

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Well, you kind of can. It’s just some talent rows are unspeakably unbalanced: I’m looking at Lv. 45 Talent Row for Frost.

Even more unbalanced than 2H vs DW conversation.

That’s the gripe I have with the current talent system.

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Kind of? That’s what the talent system is meant to do.

I remember DW hitting hard with Obliterate as well. Why can’t my DW set hit just as hard as 2h? You can find videos of it.

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You have other abilities that hits just as hard as Obliterate that 2h can. Especially Cold Heart and Frostwyrm’s Fury that scales with FC that 2H doesn’t have.

2H scales with Obliterate, leave it at that.
DW scales with everything else.

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