For days I haven’t been able to get any traction in the weekly 1500 unrated battleground quest because invariably there are four or five massively overgeared folks in there just utterly dominating the things.
Blizzard, if you want us in there, you need to cap iLvl in unrated BG at the maximum (per item) of what can be purchased with and upgraded with Honor currency.
Overgeared players in there can gain nothing except the joy of screwing with new players, returning players, and those who dare to step into battlegrounds. It amounts to organized griefing.
If they want to train there, they need to do so in gear that’s appropriate to that level.
I know the mechanism for altering iLvls exists already - it’s in use in the rated system now although it’s implemented somewhat differently and unnecessarily baroquely.
A relatively simple cap at the currently extant Honor currency upgrade cap level (not valor, not conquest) would solve the problem.
Yell ‘get gud’ all you want. Accuse me of qq’ing all you want. There’s utterly no point in staying in a BG when 5 minutes into it a single player on the opposing side has more damage done than the entire team I’m on.
It’s abusive and it’s such a simple fix that I suspect that it’s mostly Blizzard employees doing it or it would have been fixed long since.
No rational human being says “get gud.” I healbotted a 226 warrior in a silver shard yesterday. We won 1500-0, and he went like 35-0. Nothing either of us did was skillful.
Assuming you’re posting on the toon you were playing on, you really don’t have a dog in this hunt - iLvl issues are more about capped characters than twinks (convince me I’m wrong - I might be - but I don’t think there’s that much difference in iLvl between twink gearsets).
You’re complaining that you can’t finish an easy quest because of gear.
I state that I have no issues with that quest even on undergeared toons.
Then you call me a troll.
Certainly, with nothing BUT Honor rewards (none of the extras) and with something like 15 - 20 queues at 15-20 minutes each. Absolutely.
My point is that this is demonstrably driving people away from unrated battleground - I know that from my own guild’s response to this.
It’s a simple fix - cap individual iLvl pieces at the maximum level that Honor currency will upgrade to.
The truly good players won’t be affected by that.
The “Oh, my 220-plus-overall-iLvl” trolls who believe that gear doesn’t matter will come here qq’ing that they should be allowed to take their rated gear into unrated battlegrounds unaltered.
Your initial issue was you apparently can’t complete the weekly (which even losing takes 5-8 matches at 1,500 honor), so that’s not true. Now you’re calling some guy a troll, and a problem, for having invested time into gearing his toon.
I’m all for templating unrated content, but what you’re doing here is raging at people who do rated because you lost some BGs. Blizzard can’t fix your lack of effort to gear a toon, the path to do so exists for everyone.
In a relatively even match you can certainly do it in 5-8 matches, but then this wouldn’t be an issue.
With the massively overgeared opponents we’ve been facing, it’s more like 8-12 matches with a 20 minute queue in between.
And I didn’t call him a troll or a liar because he disagreed with me. I did it because he’s deliberately moving the goal post in this thread and obviously either misinformed or lying about the importance of gear.
Not sure where you coming up with the “your gear” “alts gear” whining.
I stated that I have no issues with the quest and that I get it done easily on the first day.
You should try to stick with the facts because making stuff up and twisting words doesn’t look good on you.
I didn’t say either of those things.
You’re really bad at this lmao.
In any match where there hasn’t been an overwhelming and obvious gear imbalance (I’m talking about 2-3 players capping the entire damage output of our side) I have a decent w/l record on most battlegrounds.
I’ll admit that the airships over azurite battle I can’t get a grip on, but cap the flag and resource battles I do very well in.
I’ve been doing this since 2 weeks into vanilla (not this toon - not even this account - I’ve walked away from the game twice for a total of about three years - mostly for health reasons).
Once I found Arathi Basin back in the day I practically lived in there and that was before there was really any significant reward for doing so - just - I liked it a lot.
WSG likewise.
I still like those styles of battles best.
But when two guys can take and hold Mines and Waterworks because they’re so overpowered that no one can scratch them and the other eight can camp out at the Lighthouse, it makes very little sense to play.
All I’m saying is that if you really, truly think that gear isn’t the issue you should be agreeing with me that capping unrated at the maximum iLvl (per piece) for everyone in there.
Any other argument is essentially saying “You’re right, but we don’t want to admit you’re right because we like beating the crap out of up and coming, new, and returning players because that’s just what us elitist ubers do now.”
I think most people support templating unrated content. But until that happens, you should definitley be able to complete the weekly, even on most casual schedules.
Edit: Though I will add that I won 5 unrated BGs in a row today in a premade where my 205 Paladin alt was considerably better geared than the other 3-4 guys. Sometimes just having a few people in your group who are playing well is enough. Maybe get some unrated friends on btag to queue with if doing rated for better gear isn’t an option for you.
This is really one of the easiest pvp quests to complete. Yes, you can get unlucky and get a string of outmatched teams on your side but you can also get lucky and get a string of teams that outmatch the enemy.
Last week I finished the 1500 honor quest on my demon hunter with 0/4 bg wins. It was a really bad run of teams. This week, I just finished on my fresh rogue with 3 for 3 wins.
Good/bad luck is a big factor here. That is a quality of matches issue.
Not sure if this will help or not, but if you are honor capped, you wont gain anymore honor for the quest, you have to spend some honor in order for that quest to work, trust me. I learned the hard way.
