Blizzard hates PvP and PvPers

Your statement falsely presumes that there is a dilemma or dichotomy- that the only options are:

  1. like the Vanilla Ranked system, which hasn’t been stated to even exist in Classic in its original state, and do it.

  2. Dislike the grind and don’t do it.

What other options do you have besides joining the grind and not joining the grind?

Complaining on the forums isn’t going to change anything.

Yeah, never in the history of WoW has Blizzard ever made changes based on player input… /s

Hard to take you serious with such an immature title. Blizzard is a business. Pvpers pay money. Blizzard cares about pvpers. (About the same amount of care as the % as pvp players in their playerbase)

I just want bgs man. Even one.

This is classic though, and the #nochanges crowd would throw and absolute fit if they altered the honor system.

They’ve also stated that Classic is intended to be a museum piece for Vanilla, it’s not that far of a leap to assume that they’re not really going to be changing anything.

They’ve already made changes, so that’s kind of a moot point, and, considering it’s highly unlikely we will ever see a Rank 14 with the 20% honor decay that Vanilla has, the Rank grind is probably close to first on the list of potential changes.

You sure about that?

Actually, wanna know how you’re wrong? Literally almost all changes and tuning on spells in the last few years been pve-based (while also slightly affecting pvp). Read up on some patch notes before you ever come in here and make an absurd comment like that.

Not that retail even matters. It’s trash. But just sayin…

They’ve made minor changes because of people cheating, they won’t be altering the honor system.
They said that P2(The honor system) isn’t coming until layers are gone.
They stated that each Layer is more or less the population of a vanilla WoW server.

So basically, you’re creating a problem that doesn’t exist.

They do not?

It gets a lot of sh!t, but honestly, the whole balance juggle thing wasn’t even really that bad of a concept. I’ve been wanting Vanilla back since BC came out, and was too dumb to figure out how to find Pservers, so I’m pretty pumped. However, its a bit of a bleak feeling (being a PvP oriented player) that we’ll just be enshrined in a world where rock always beats scissors no matter what.

They separated PvE coefficients from PvP years ago, hence now they can balance them separately.

Prior to that many balance decisions were made on account of things being broken in pvp that ended up negatively impacting pve.

Though this really has nothing to do with any argument. PvP and PvE are both parts of the game with about equal participation at equal levels.

Yeah, going to have to disagree with you on that.

That was back when servers had multiple layers, if you have 10 layers of 3k people each that’s 30k people, so yes, medium population of a 10 layer server is much higher then medium population of a vanilla server.

Layers were also not dynamically added and removed, they had to be hotfixed in and out deliberately.

Oh Ezgg. Is every argument you make always gotta be a “fallacy” or “false” information, for you?

Also, I have nothing to contribute to this thread. Just entertained by Ezgg.

Oh Flocket, are you really implying that I was the only one who told you to lay off the slippery slope? It must be hard not being able to get away with poisonous argumentation on the forums.

You’re the only one who consistently insults, yes.

I guess if I constantly operated from from a reference point of fallacious arguments, I’d consider any and all attempts to point out how faulty my logic was to be insults, too.

Is that why others told you to back off?

Oh, you mean the other #nochangers? The ones that didn’t even bother to read my other posts and were attacking me to further their shared minority view? Like I said, if my whole shtick consisted of “But muh slippery slope!”, I’d probably consider someone pointing out the fallacy implicit in that view as an insult to my existence, too. Do you guys coordinate on discord or something? How do I get an invite?

Or perhaps you’re not always right in your approach? There was no coordination. Your posts were nothing but insults after insults. And you got called out, on it.

But I’m done derailing this thread. People will see for themselves how you choose to interact. Have fun Ezgg.