I quit BfA 1.5 months into the xpac because it was so boring. So it’s not just arena, I didn’t like the entire xpac 
Then only played sporadically throughout the xpac when friends dragged me back for a bit.
So, your PvE gear from mythic and visions is all from carries?
No. I’m one of those weird people who can see a DBM timer and press a button at the right time. Carries are for plebs.
A solo casual player will feel forced to do other content or quit so they don’t have to do the content they don’t enjoy.
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Lol you saying I want to PVE? Clearly you have not read anything I have ever said. You are constantly defending the dumb crap blizzard does. Think you work for them.
“Solo casual”. So there’s two things here.
- Solo casual thinks they need to do PvE content for gear.
- Solo casual could just do PvP content for gear.
The fact of the matter is that the “solo” part is eliminated either way. Whether you join a raid group or a yolo RBG group, you’re not solo anymore. So how does “solo casual” justify buying carries instead of just doing rated PvP? You say you don’t like rated PvP but you also don’t like PvE. So like what is the difference? You don’t like either of them, you don’t want to do either of them. But at least the rated is still PvP which you people claim to like.
See my statement above and then try to tell me how/why you choose to PvE over PvP when PvP is in fact the better gearing path for PvP content.
Without a carry, you would have to play more than sporadically to get your cloak and vision panel up to a point to clear 5 mask visions. Avoiding the attacks wasn’t the issue, the sanity loss was the issue.
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No you don’t. Getting to a “high” gear level overall was easy. This offset the early sanity concerns in Visions. Kill stuff faster, not die due to low HP = quicker progression through the Vision. That plus Kebabs and the sanity orb button made sanity not a big concern. Plus I am a rogue. I can skip half the dungeon anyway, further alleviating any sanity issues.
You don’t just press a button for those and que solo. You must join a group, pass the achievement/gearlvl test to be accepted for most, and all the other stuff that comes with not playing solo. If you don’t enjoy rated/raid content why not just pay to skip it.
It is faster and easier to gear though pve. It also rewards higher Ilvl gear for easier content.
The amount of disconnect from Blizzard and this player base is insane! 310 posts and not a single comment from Blizzard. WOW!
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There is no spoon.
That goes back to my saying that it’s a PEBKAC issue. Buying a carry is your choice. It is not forced.
It is not faster. PvE gearing is severely nerfed in Shadowlands. I truly don’t think you realize how poor PvE gearing is going to be compared to BfA. This is beside the fact that PvE gearing has a very small selection of versatility gear, which is the de-facto PvP stat. PvP conquest gear all has versatility on it. PvE gear is not going to be greatly superior to PvP gear like it was in BfA. So far, on paper, it looks worse due to the versa stat advantage.
PvE gear itself might’ve had an advantage in the early part of the season because conquest/versa gear will take some weeks to be fully decked out, but the slow rate of gear acquisition in PvE anyway might counter this.
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Getting set up to succeed in arena is a time consuming endeavor. It’s a lot more than just knowing how to play your class. There is an immense knowledge barrier. You have to set up your UI specifically to play arena. You have to set up macros specifically for arena. You will have to adjust and work out new keybinds. All of this takes a considerable amount of time.
It’s not like a dungeon where you can walk in and do fine just by having your rotation down.
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Sadly the content creators seem to love this change. Seems like it’s time for the casual MAJORITY to move onto other games - WoW is no longer being designed for anyone not a world first raider/rank1 arena player.
Let’s see how well Shadowlands does when Blizzard completely neglects their biggest player base, the casuals. It worked REALLY well for Wildstar!
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We’re talking about PvPers here, are we not? Most PvPers, even people who only ever do WPvP or random BGs, already have a base level of knowledge to break the 1400 gate for their conquest gear upgrade. They don’t need any special UI or macro setups for that. They can go in with 100% default everything and still break 1400.
In further brackets then yes you’re absolutely right that a modified UI and macros may be necessary.
Blizzard isn’t neglecting casuals. Stop calling people who don’t do rated PvP casuals. There is nothing hardcore about doing a 2’s match.
Forced/encouraged/faster/easier/smarter coulda used many words to describe how it feels sure you could nitpick at any of them.
It will be faster. If it is not Pvp gearing will get nerfed even more.
Not for every class, and all those trinkets sure as hell make me feel FORCED to farm them.
Of course it will.
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None of those words are accurate.
You are not forced. You are not encouraged. It is not faster, easier, or smarter.
EDIT: Actually I think if you’re buying a full gear-stack raid clear then it might be faster. However, you’ll be paying upwards of a million gold for that kind of carry. Probably even more when it’s early in the season. You also still won’t be getting proper versatility gear.
Those trinkets were nerfed. They are no longer required. After arenas were activated on the beta yesterday people were playing and it appears that trinkets are not a major concern anymore. Once people have a versatility gear setup then the trinket bonus outweighs the PvE trinkets.
I agree with that and I think many of them would have done exactly that. However, if they move getting conquest completely outside of random BGs then they are just going to move to PvE or quit instead.
Before, they could still spend most of their time in the BGs doing what is fun for them and do enough in arena to push to 1400 (or further if they choose to). Now, random BGs will be a waste of time and they will need to spend almost all of their time in rated if they want to progress that way.
These people lived in the random BGs because that was what was fun for them. These changes will force them to live in rated content and what kept them playing (random BGs) will be removed from the game for them.
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I don’t see why that is the case. They can still continue doing rated content, even if they’re at their 50% win rate point they are still earning conquest. And once they have a conquest gear set then they only need Honor points to upgrade that conquest gear, which is still earned through random BGs. Conquest gear is gated weekly too, so it’s not like they to infinitely grind rated games. They can cap their weekly conquest and then go back to random BGs.
I think a key factor that needs to be remembered here is that Honor is the currency used for upgrading your conquest gear. So unrated content absolutely is still valuable and worth your time.
It is not only accurate it is how some people feel. You just don’t seem to believe it when there are 100s of post about it.
And smarter, and encouraging when I can make $100 in RL in about 30 mins, and save myself so much time. I know it’s a choice, but it’s an option that should be discouraged.
I hope they were. The nerfs I read did not like it was enough for some of them.