Blizz ruined m+

[Glortia-moknathal]

@Izhana-malganis

That is not how it works at all.

I hope your right but I am looking it right now and it says my reward will be based off the lowest of my 4 runs this week (currently +2). Says run two more keys to unlock a second reward.

[Izhana-malganis]

No. It isn’t.

The ease in which you can do content as a solo player is determined by your effort and ability to get it done.
That is not a correlation that blizzard purposely designed it with that in mind, which is what “catering” means.

One has nothing to do with the other. Solo players are perfectly capable of doing and joining raids with arguably the same ease as M+, if they know how to use the tools in the game.

@Evilys-stormrage

The terrible design of it, is that it actually encourages elitist play because you won’t want to do any low keys. You get punished for doing lower keys. They need to change it to where they take the three highest keys, otherwise no one is going to want to help any guildies out or friends if it means gimping their gear choices.

Again… you don’t seem to understand how the system works.

I currently have some 7’s and 6’s this week that I am pushing. In between I have done over 15 2’s and 3’s to help guildies time their low keys and it hasn’t effected my Vault at all.

[Evilys-stormrage]

It was great when it was a challenge mode and you got certain aesthetic choices from it, it was ruined when it became a gear grind.

[Ahnohla-hyjal]

@Izhana-malganis

it hasn’t effected my Vault at all.

Yay someone that knows how the vault works, lol.

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Evilys-stormrage

Not really, the assumption is that “pug bad” as if you yourself aren’t a pug when you do it. You are more forgiving when friends/guildies make mistakes. Pugs really aren’t that much different, people just have this assumed negative views on them when they don’t realize that they themselves are a “pug”.

Well, that’s kind of the point.

In a guild/friend run it’s relaxed even if someone messes up.

We know nobody is going to rage quit to berate anyone for any mistake.

We know everyone will be able to listen/learn the mechanics.

Not saying every pug is bad of course, but it’s night and day.

[Izhana-malganis]

@Glortia-moknathal

I hope your right but I am looking it right now and it says my reward will be based off the lowest of my 4 runs this week (currently +2). Says run two more keys to unlock a second reward

So there’s 3 tier in the Vault.

1st tier: one piece of loot from highest timed key.
2nd tier: run 4 keys, lvl is based off lowest of the top 4 keys ran.
3rd tier: run at least 10 keys, lvl based off lowest key overall for the week.

That’s the best way I can explain it. It doesn’t punish you, it rewards you commensurate to your effort.

[Fayte-thrall]

They really did… This is ridiculous.

[Malmsteen-burning-blade]

Thanks, I’m alright though.

[Achilliés-bloodscalp]

@Satuza-bleeding-hollow

God forbid people get loot for their work. Doing keys feels worse than world quests at this point. Revert all loot changes before it kills this xpac. Stupid stupid idea

People called it in the beta my dude.

TBC will come out pretty quick once SL starts to set new sub loss records.

[Jhohana-quelthalas]

Y’all ask for this. When you said “no more titanforging”

Blizz gave so much loot because of it. Now that is more meaningful they gave less to compensete

[anon72158313]

Ooh that’s fair enough. The consideration I had was that the chest gives a higher item level of which we’ll have multiple to choose from. Although in theory we can still spam m+ till fully geared it’s has a lower item level meaning the goal is to still replace it. This stands in contrast to a quick way to reach 465 but a hit/miss chance at 475 weapons/armour in BfA.

[Jape-silver-hand (Jape)]

I think the, hopefully, unintended consequence of this change is going to be a tank and healer shortage. I would expect it to be worse than late season after tanks and healers get the gear they want faster than dps.

Every single dungeon I do with no reward makes me less likely to do another one. Not more, less, because the 15th time in an instance is less interesting than the 14th and I’m not as excited about the 16th.

[Evilys-stormrage]

Thanks for agreeing with me? It seems you don’t understand the system. Its very simple, if you are pushing to get the best gear, you are punished for helping others with lower keys. Why do anything below say, straight 10s, if it guarantee’s you a choice of higher ilvl gear from the same M+, three times. Or you could get ONE choice from that level, and two other lower level choices. Is it starting to make sense now?

This system doesn’t foster “community” or helping people out. If anything, it exacerbates the elitist problem that permeates the M+ community to an even greater degree.

[Haavi-barthilas (Haavi)]

@Satuza-bleeding-hollow

Doing keys feels worse than world quests at this point.

Fun fact. World quests also hardly ever reward gear as well!
Extra loot in M+ would just mean they have to nerf it further in ilvl, and I’m not sure you would like that.

The fact that you have no limits on your rewards means there has to be other limits in place instead.

Also it’s literally week 1, do you need to be fully geared by now? And if you are and loot dropping is what makes M+ interesting and rewarding to you then what do you plan on doing once you are fully geared?

[Jape-silver-hand (Jape)]

There was always a limit in place on m+ loot. In fact, it’s still there. It’s just more limited than it used to be in previous expacs.

[Izhana-malganis]

No, it doesn’t.

You want high tier gear, from doing low tier content and then calling it “elitist”. lol

[Ventorath-wyrmrest-accord]

@Satuza-bleeding-hollow

God forbid people get loot for their work.

The issue with Mythic+ was, and honestly still is, that you get loot equivalent to comparable levels of raiding but without any form of lockout. It’s unreasonable to expect both a high drop chance on loot AND infinite loot opportunities. Raiding is like a 15% chance of loot per boss once a week. It has a lockout AND low chances. I cleared everything but the last boss this week and got 0 loot.

[Senirel-argent-dawn]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record having said this in just about any thread about loot, I honestly don’t see why Blizz didn’t bring a currency system back. Didn’t get loot, but look, you still made progress towards an upgrade. Therefore your time doesn’t feel as wasted, and you can set a goal for yourself.

[Evilys-stormrage]

Elitist in that if you don’t have a high raiderio, it implies immediately that you aren’t competent in any facet of the game. That sort of elitism. Try and keep up with the conversation.

[Finninbas-moon-guard]

Kinda fine with it tbh, but i dont really see much point in +2 being more rewarding than doing 3 bosses on normal.