i always see you diminishing other players grievances
so i would call you an obstacle
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I can take it or leave it, but if the droprates arenāt fixedā¦ does ML even matter? And if it did come back, Iād say maybe add a vote mechanism to itā¦ just to be sureā¦ because no group leader in charge of ML has ever boned another player on a mountā¦ amiright?
The ML issue is really a Heroic Raid+ problem imo.
Average joe player who isnāt in a raid team would be harmed by such a system and it was the correct move to move the entire playerbase away from that. Even having the option, while I do support that, would still lead to terrible people exploiting people. That negative far outweighs the positive.
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Where? Where do you see me addressing a game concern and telling the person they donāt matter or their concern does not matter?
Asking the OP to actually back what they are saying is not diminishing a grievance. It is pointing out false statement as false. Further, their complaint is not about the game, it is about other players on the CC.
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The forums exist to give feedback - just like you are doing.
What mechanism did you want instead?
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A simple ādislikeā or āthumbs downā button use-able by the general public/GDāers would be a nice touch. This would allow the wider community to vote on what CC posts are good ideas and which CC posts/ideas are regarded as unpopular.
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Ah, so 99% of this whole forum website
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How valid do you think that would be? There are some who would honestly consider the post, think about it, and disagree.
There are a whole lot more who enjoy trolling, briggading, etc. Who just hate the concept of the CC and would down vote all of them out of principle. Others who down vote anything X person says because they donāt like that person. We have enough issues with people falsely flagging posts for those reasons on the forums.
If someone really disagrees with a post make a well thought out thread about it saying WHY they disagree. That says a whole lot more than random hate votes.
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We appreciate the effort with a humble bow.
You canāt ācall outā people on the forums? So you canāt say provide evidence or feedback in regards to a specific person here, which is why there were specific e-mails for feedback for MVP program and CMs in general.
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Disagree tbh, using like ratios as a measure of whatās popular doesnāt work all too good in a forum format for a game. Depending on the day you post something you can get vastly different outcomes. Then their is the fact some things are just trigger words for people and will earn instant upvote or downvote regardless of the actual content, similar to karma farming on reddit.
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Sounds a lot like āYou think you doā¦ but you donāt.ā
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Ah, ok. Yeah, call out threads would get someone in trouble. You can use the same email for the CC. The CMs are the ones who run both programs so would be the ones to handle any conduct that is inappropriate. Obviously donāt use it for āI donāt like so and soā. If there is a serious issue though, by all means grab the email from the sticky thread with the rules and MVP program descriptions.
That is my take on it as well. Watching the karma farming on reddit, and how disingenuous some of those takes are, makes you question the whole system. This thread alone, makes a false statement in the first post. However, there are people who hate the concept of the CC who donāt care that the OP is inaccurate, they just want to upvote anything negative that fits their opinions. Sort of human nature I suppose.
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Well yes, in all honesty I have no idea how one could make the CC work properly and I said this earlier in the tread, it should not be upon the players alone to pinpoint where, when and how the game is hitting on pain points, with 15+ years of experience in being the marker leader Blizzard should understand how the game works, how itās players interact with it and how to improve it. It should not be up to us to be coming up with suggestion to improve the systems in the game, the systems should already launched ready.
Edit: To clarify Iām not saying that we should not be giving feedback or that the feedback should be ignored on Blizzards part, Iām saying that we should not have come to this state in the first place and we should not continue to be in this state because Blizzard is seemingly incapable to develop their own game.
Put me down as a ājack of all tradesā 
Mounts can stay personal loot tbh, even with ML enabled. Iām fine with that. ML for gear is what I want to see back.
Iāll try and be fair and neutral. I just get the vibe from when I first looked at the intros there werenāt a lot of players selected who are in low keys and maybe venture up to normal raid. Most I saw were CE/Guild leaders of CE raiding guilds, RP players, and collectors.
IMO if WoW wants useful feedback on how to get players back you need to talk to the players who are in that category because theyāre the community members who left.
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I agree those are some of the people who have left, but there are also mythic raiders leaving as well. everyoneās voice matters 100%. From everything weāve been told and Iāve interpreted, if a certain voice isnāt active on the CC forum, someone with that voice will be added when found.
I donāt disagree with your opinion there. Iām sure thereās Mythic level players who have left too. Preach is a good example of the level of frustration there. I just tend to focus on the other group (well duh Iām from there) but more importantly thatās the group they lost the most of and I donāt think they have a good handle on how to bring those players back, whereas the Mythic level players they do have a good understanding of what those players are looking for.
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Ask yourself who are the people that are doing low keys or are doing normal still. To save you some trouble those would be casuals that arenāt invested in the game, why would those people even apply to the community council ?