On Incendius Black Lotus are 160g, everything is inflated and over farmed. There is no ‘stock up now’ when your server is this insanely overpopulated. We had a 50 minute queue at 9:30 tonight. If you want to raid tomorrow night better log on a couple hours early just so you can get in.
“Hey, let’s have the entire Hardcore raiding community transfer to Incendius en masse! Ha ha, that’ll be so cool we can all make fun of the pleb servers!”
One month later…
“Blizzard! Incendius is busted! Why did you let us all transfer there, why do you let us do stupid things! Make Black Lotus spawn more they’re too expensive and we can’t get good parses!!”
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The parsing argument is irrelevant. Supply and demand are untrue to Vanilla due to server sizes and this flies in the face of their stated design goals for Classic. This is the only relevant talking point.
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You could just go to the many servers with less than 4k people. Sure it’s still pretty big but if you want that more real experience the offer is there
Again, that’s a completely separate conversation from what this thread is about.
Blizzard went to some truly extraordinary lengths to recreate the Vanilla experience, even going as far as coding spell batching into the game and purposefully leaving bugs in the game like the incredibly annoying Battle for Darrowshire bug or the Doomhowl encounter bug (which seems like it might have been accidentally fixed in a recent update).
That they would go THAT far with the small things, but not with the big things like server sizes, layering, and supply/demand is baffling to me, and that’s the topic of this thread. Why did they go SO far with the little stuff like batching, but not the big stuff like the economy? And in the particular case of this thread, Black Lotus.
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Taking the smallest classic servers and comparing them to what would have been the largest vanilla servers and using that as an argument to say classic and vanilla have similar populations is a very bad argument. The average server size of a classic server today is still roughly twice as large as the average server size of a vanilla server.
You would have had a better argument if you’d have pointed out that in vanilla, populations increased over time as the game became more popular while they decrease over time in classic. So maybe by the time we get to naxx we’ll have truly similar average server sizes. Maybe.
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During Vanilla there were no bots camping black lotus spawn points. I would just casually find black lotuses.
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There’s aren’t any now either. There’s a significant difference between a bot and an account for spying lotus.
@OP
You guys still NEED lotus? I’ve already started hoarding it up for AQ, there’s no need for it anymore, for the moment.
It makes no sense to increase the server population and not have herb spawns compensate
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This is not the topic of the thread. The topic is that supply and demand ratios are untrue to Vanilla due to increased server sizes, and that a change needs to be made to bring the economy closer in-line with Vanilla, which is the entire point of Classic.
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You can keep saying this but everyone with an iota of intelligence knows your real motive here. The economy is more than Black Lotus; the demand for other goods has increased compared to Vanilla as well but you don’t care about those other goods because their increased price hasn’t reached whatever threshold you deem inappropriate.
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and its time to stop
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Black Lotus isn’t the only issues on high pop realms, Thorium nodes are also a pia due to the sheer amount of people farming it. It’s taken me a week to get 150 ore and i need another 500ish to get to 300 Armorsmith. All the zones for BL and Thorium are camped almost 24 hours a day it’s getting beyond the joke.
These server pops are not true to vanilla, vanilla was never designed around the sheer amount of players in the med to high pop realms that we’re seeing now as they well exceed the “high” pop from vanilla servers.
This is just another very bad decision from Blizzard in a long list of them, it’s why i stopped playing BfA after 2 months from launch, and it’s why i will never touch retail again until they change a lot of the game back. It’s also getting to the point I’m losing interest in Classic as well, i hate over pop servers.
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Its every node spawn basically. Its a really common sense fix. For some reason blizzard refuses to do it
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Can you not tell by my portrait that I’m a tank? I’m not parsing any higher or lower because of Flask of the Titans.
And yes, I also read that blue post a long time ago where it’s also stated at the very end that
But in reality this never happened on the scale that is mentioned here. There were tons of very fundamental changes like server pops and layering that fly directly in the face of this quote. It was nothing more than lipservice to the #nochanges crowd. We ended up with VERY different systems than Vanilla, and as Classic’s lifetime continued, we’ve actually seen some of these
be changed like premading and safe spots. So linking that post as if they actually adhered to that plan is absurd given the
we ended up with.
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You’re parsing plenty higher when you don’t die because you have a much larger HP pool thanks to Flask of the Titans.
Tanks flask so they don’t get instagibbed. Parsing is probably lowest on the list of reason why tanks flask. Of course you can’t parse if you’re dead,but much, much more importantly is that you can’t kill bosses if your tanks die.
And going back to the topic of this thread, it is incredibly expensive to flask every week with such an inflated cost because Blizzard fundamentally changed server sizes with no regard to how it would affect the rest of the game. This is nothing like Vanilla where flasks went for 50-60g in most cases.
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That’s true.
However, in vanilla, not everyone felt the need to flask like they do now a days. I raided a lot in vanilla (cleared everything except Nax which I only dabbled in) and I can honestly say I rarely flasked. Our tanks were always flasked on progression nights but other than that, flasks were pretty rare unless we were really trying to get over the hump on a boss. On farm nights nobody flasked.
Nowadays just about everyone wants a flask for raids and it’s part of the supply and demand pricing your seeing.
Flask of the Titans
By chaweth [on 2006/01/16] (Patch 1.9.2)
I have been selling these on Dethecus for 100g. They take awhile but they do sell. Planning on making a lot when the AQ gates open.
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Pointing to a case that is so much the exception that a forum post was made about it is not an argument in your favor.
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