BG Gear + Conquest + Scaling

how has this concept escaped so many people, it’s like investing* [read*:upgrading] diversify your assets* [read*:currency] to avoid the market bottoming out and losing all your money on one venture* [read*:getting an epic on a fully upgraded slot]

Now there your growth will be smooth and steady, not sporadic like the dragon slayers getting their 4th pair of slightly different pants.

Playing Devil’s Advocate and shilling are different things, it is not my opinion that honor gear is fine, It’s just good enough.

My opinion on pvp gear is pretty well documented on the older posts, just no point in repeating them in echo chambers.

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Correct me if I am wrong but pve gear lacks bis stats for pvp for the most part , or is that not true? ( I know the answer just want a conversation)

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No?

Lol, who told you that? Are you under the impression we have a PVP stat? Because, we don’t.

A big part of the problem with the assumption that the “PvP gear is best” is because we asked for Vers at minimum. In BFA Vers was heavily liked for the tankiness.

In Shadowlands, we have trinkets critting for 80% of your health, so Glass is the only feasible option, which Vers gear isn’t.

As to that, some classes scale better with Vers then others. Already tanky classes really don’t need it as much either.

This is however something we the community has done to ourselves. By requesting Vers on every piece as a compromise for Resilience.

Also PVE gear drops vers gear as well as unique Weapon effects and busted Trinkets lol.

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And good old Ion instead of putting it easily accessible buried it in an interview.

But he already said that trinkets are untuned currently, they are just focused on tuning classes first as they are more important atm, not trinkets.
Especially since those won’t be accessible until 2 weeks after the expansion launches anyways

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Also, funny enough no one has brought up the long term issue here.

The BG gear is a side issue, and only effects the first couple months.

The larger longer lasting issue here is Rating locking gear, with no PvP scaling present. The old locks on select pieces only was removed as it was a BAD System, and the devs said as much. It was tried to alter, and always ended in failure.

They not only just rebuilt that bad system, they locked every single piece, and locked it at 2400…

They already did Modify the trinkets, they reduced them by 30% in PVP, that doesn’t stop a skulker crit for hitting for 25k and 12k non crits.

Your absolutely delusional if you think 1 shotting meta isnt going Live.

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We have ad nauseum, we have said it plenty we don’t like.

I can give the benefit of the doubt, but unlike a lot of y’all I won’t be suffering from buyer’s remorse because I haven’t bought anything.

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2100, stop talking about how it works you clearly haven’t been reading but only regurgitating.

Call me delusional and you don’t even know all the details.

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Well most of the people happy for this change are the ones who grind PvE content already or have a group that already carries them through PvE content or have the cash to buy carries.

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Not a single person has expressed happiness from what I seen so far, some of us just know it’s not anywhere near the end of the world like everyone is saying

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2100 is for the weekly chest.

NOT for upgrade levels.

Yes, I made a post about this in the arena forums.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/rating-requirements-are-detrimental-to-alts/707610

I also made a post that gear gaps are too huge, because imo they are and it makes alts/new players unable to do PvP for a month+. it feels terrible and isn’t fun or how the game used to be.

Since TBC, it took a few days to get geared enough to be able to PLAY your character in PvP. Now it takes a month+…

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/gear-gaps-are-too-big/705548

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Honor gear hasn’t been usable since WoD. It sucks but its not the end of the world. Without an actual pvp stat or some type of wod gear scaling, honor gear will never fit in today’s game. Blizz’s intent is to reward players for higher difficulty content.

If you did bgs back in the day and did yolo 2s to get your conquest gear then you should be doing the same activities in SL and still be viable. You will just be gearing a slightly different way instead of the old school path of honor gear into conquest gear. Blizz wants you doing more rated and less rando bgs.

Push your 2s rating to 1600. You will get heroic raid level loot in your tuesday box. You will upgrade your 200 item level conquest gear twice.

Everyone needs to breath. Crying about honor gear isn’t a “valid” complaint unless you never wore conquest gear pre legion.

Alting may be an issue again. Honor gear is a trap to make you waste honor on instead of just going for conquest gear.

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Heroic gear, in a non scaling PVP game, against Mythic players is a stark difference is the issue.

The power gap between heroic and mythic is very large.

This has been pretty fine due to scaling. Scaling is gone now.

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And what of the other 99% of the playerbase that doesn’t mythic raid?

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It most certainly is when they put rating requirements on conquest gear.

Honor gear being bad + rating requirements on gear completely kills alts for me. I also know people who can’t stand arenas and ONLY do bgs, but are forced into doing arenas or raid to be on an equal playing field in content they love. That’s BS.

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Crazy idea, hear me out… They could do rated battlegrounds.

Anyone can yolo to 1600 if they just remotely tried. Even in alt maintenance mode, they’d be heroic raid level geared.

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That’s laughable, and you know it. That gamemode is not played, and getting into groups is harder than getting a job IRL.

It’s insufferable and not fun at all to do that. If it’s “so easy you can yolo to 1600” - then maybe rating requirements have no reason to exist at all?

The top end of the bracket is dead yes but the bottom half where the yolos happen are not. List an rbg group even during the deadest of times and just name it yolo. You will get a full team sign up very quickly. You can yolo any bracket to 1600 by just simply trying.

No. It just doesn’t go with your agenda. The difference between a yolo rbg at 1500mmr and a random bg is nearly nonexistant.

You’ve spewed hate and disgust for this video game for 700 posts now and still press on harder than abomb. Do you even enjoy this game? Is there anything positive you are looking forward to?

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Not for honor

I know people with crippling anxiety issues. The mere thought of “rating” being a thing makes them overwhelmed with anxiety to a point they can’t function. These people should not be forced into rated PvP just so they can enjoy theircasual game mode.

Why resorting to personal attacks? Really not cool.