BG Gear + Conquest + Scaling

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How is this being downplayed? I am perplexed.

There is small talks about each aspect individually, whether complaints or thanks, and thats great. However why is no one framing the grand scale about what is about to go Live?

Lets look at these 3, separately as has been being done, then combine them.

PvP Scaling: has been removed. This is an Overall good change, and is pretty well received by the community. Thats great in a Bubble.

Honor Gear: The amount of Grind needed to get BG gear is already way absurd as it was, now they have added a time gate. Yes they raised the Ilvl to 197, but thats M6 loot, by the 7/8 week mark you can even fully upgrade that gear people will have been clearing 10-15s for weeks.

Conquest Gear Im starting to see talks of the Conquest gear now showing that upgrades have a rating lock, like BFA. Not the best system, but I guess okay in a bubble as it wasnt that terrible in BFA.

Now Lets put those together.
By the time you get your full set of BG gear, the PVErs will be running around in almost full 210, the slots that are not 210 will likely be Vault rewards 223-226, say an Average Ilvl of 215ish for high end PVErs 210 for the majority of semi serious PVErs.

These same people will be in Arena, where you need to go to get your Conquest gear. You will then need to beat someone that is quite a bit stronger than you, to rank up your conquest gear.

With the removal of scaling, this means they will do much more damage and put you at a steep handicap.

You can catch them, by doing Mythic raids yourself, as Getting to Gladiator with a 26 Ilvl Deficit HAHAHA, doubtful. Pushing past with a similar or even slightly higher Skill, someone that does 25% more damage with 25% more health. Thats not gonna happen.

Alts, will be 10x worse. GL starting a new toon, when everyone you face is 30+ Ilvls higher than you, and literally one shots you.

These things are not that bad, when taken in a bubble. Now look at the bigger picture. Its Free Rating for Mythic Raiders, by our requests.

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And been doing rbgs and arenas for weeks too, what a concept

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No you havent, PVP season doesnt start at launch.

You can do BGs.

They can do M+10 doubt many will get that high, but a 6 is all thats needed to match BG gear at max, and thats 2 months out.

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Didn’t have scaling in wrath and I remember rogues, hunters, and mages able to out play people while wearing t2 gear.

Legion and Bfa both prevented m+ from turning on at the start until the season started, I haven’t read a single thing that says m+ is available at the start.
They will have m0 and that’s a weekly lock.

Yeah well and? Make sure you are doing rated then, yolo tons of rbg groups at a tike looking def making a come back and you can’t lose rating until 1400

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M+ always starts at the start…

The Gear is capped to below normal raid, you can do it day 1.

Ahhh Wrath, Completely different systems, completely different time, completely different game.

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negative. Never once at launch of the 2 xpacs before it.

Stats are stats and currently the difference between a normal raid tier 200 and a mythic 2 final boss pieces are 233, the difference is small in how much overall stats are.

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You cant do Rated BGs till Season/Raids.

You can lose rating before 1400. You lose rating when you reach your MMR, lose 10 games in a row, and youll lose rating at 1000 lol.

Not everyone can play month 1 or week 1-2 either, especially with the launch timing.

If you come into SL in January, you will literally never get any rating without doing Mythic Raids.

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and you cant do m+ until the season starts either for the xpac, it’s not until the patches that m+ doesn’t stop, but neither does arena because there is now post season ques. (You know like right now)
Just no such thing as pre season

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Yes you can, the gear is capped at Mythic 10, you can still do it.

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good I can test that because I have work hardcore until Dec 31st, then im off all month of jan

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Ouch GL with that.

Have you played beta? People literally one shot you with equal gear lol. Nevermind when they are 25%+ stronger.

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Beta also is still working on tuning.

Also btw

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/shadowlands-mythic-plus-season-1-guide

Also you should go read up how gear actually works for pve drops now, they slowed down we only sped up

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The members of the community that have received this well are the ones who have great gear and are happy to get their easy one shots. Most players have no idea what happened and start threads with titles like “What the hell happened to PvP?” based on their observations.

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Man it’s a prepatch, hate to break it to you but it will be like this for when people play alts later in the xpac.
It’s basically twinks, I am not going to limit myself because yall just wanted to play lobby games and I did arenas and m+.

Hell when I play alts I abandoned at the end of other xpacs, they are sitting in full conquest or max ilvl raiding gear from that time. (whatever was top at the time)

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Read that again dude…

“Shadowlands Season 1 will also begin which introduces a new seasonal affix in Mythic Keystone dungeons along with a new season of PvP action.”

You can run them before that, you just cant run the 4 affix cutoff, you can only do up to 3 affixes. So 9 keys?

Maxxed Honor gear is eq to a 6, you can def do higher than that.

Also “they slowed down, we only sped up”

Lol, ya not really… Yes they slowed down, what did we speed up?

Normal raid Ilvl is 200 with last 2 at 207, WBs are 207, in BFA PVP gear was a piece a week sure, it was also normal raid level. It “Sped up” barely, and at the cost of being inferior to normal gear, and with scaling removed.

I dont think I have ever seen someone shill this hard…

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bro if you make me have to dig up how loot distribution works in slands so far in development because you refuse, I will find you in game and so help me…

https://giphy.com/gifs/slapping-P1EomtpqQW34c

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“How loot distrubtion works”

What are you talking about? Because 1 peice drops in M+ and not 2? Like you really think thats relevant.

Your actually defending Raiders having a SEVERE advantage in PVP. Why are you even in the PvP forums?

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and only 1 piece has a chance to repeat for you. So if someone else in the group saw it and you were in group can you guess what creek your in?

Because I pvp and only really like pvp.
And I know how to do complex math, it pays my bills.

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What are you talking about. You really dont understand whats going on bud.

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You close to that

https://youtu.be/PIpQndqSXLU

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