BG Conquest points motivates the wrong behavior

[Lasagna-frostwolf]

Dat necro.
When people respond to threads a month later to me I can’t even remember what the conversation was about. Bleh.
I’m fixing to go to bed so this might be jumbled.

You seem to take my post as a personal attack and see fit to respond with how excellent you are and how much of an asset you are to your BG teams and trying to use that as an excuse to exempt you from consequences that everyone should face for leaving a BG. I can not trust you are any of the things you say. Not that I don’t think you are fine at BGs you probably are. I just have no proof and it has no bearing on if you should receive the debuff or not. you are not special or different than anyone else.

The shortcoming you are currently defending is one of patience you lack.

No I don’t forsee people who afk in BGs getting better. This is not a question of gear or skill that can improve overtime this is a question of personal choice made when you bail on a team/give up/only care about winning for conquest instead of taking part in the actual game.

You already get a return in investment. You get honor already and you get conquest on a win. Your greed for more than that does not entitle you to bail without consequence.

@Äbsinthe-hyjal

The behavior that will engender is people playing at 30% capacity in PvP. Guarding flags they don’t need to guard. Running headlong into an enemy once in a while, then delaying rez at a GY.

People already do this. It’s not very common and when they do I report them afk or I lifegrip them out of the GY into horde packs until they learn to stop being a baby for dying in pvp. The mentality is still beyond me.

@Äbsinthe-hyjal

They don’t want to waste TIME. Since the deserter debuff, as you imagine it, will be an hour, the best they can do, is throw the match. To waste less of their TIME. What will your system cause them to do?

I think people throwing matches is akin to a child throwing themselves on the ground in an angry fit. It’s about as useful.
The debuff is there to make you think twice and continue the match so that even while losing people can still fight each other on an even ground and have fun. Even turn games around into wins.
People will need to get over the fact that they will lose games. That does not mean the game can be less fun while you can still fight.
If you don’t want to waste time don’t join into a team game that is time intensive.

@Äbsinthe-hyjal

They will heal less. Do less dmg than they can. Because they want the game to end. They can’t AFK out. Because of your deserter debuff being accountwide/60 minutes. But they know they are not going to win. And they dont’ have a lot of time. And they want this BG to end, so they might get out and try to get a win. For Conquest Points. Before they run out of TIME.

I don’t think the majority of people are as childish and useless as you perceive. Call me optimistic.
Again, the debuff is there to notify you of the consequences of joining a team game and then leaving your team at a disadvantage.
You joined to pvp. Try and not to leave and punish your team for your own impatience.

@Äbsinthe-hyjal

Your system would cause people, to throw the game, as quickly as possible. So they avoid the deserter debuff. And they waste as little TIME as possible.

Just because you would does not mean everyone else would.
Please go read BDM’s strawpoll here: Strawpoll How many times do you AFK out of a BG In a Week?

I agree the gear lotto needs to change. It’s boring and demoralizing and makes their content droughts worse. The gear is also not as worthwhile to gather. That does not mean you afk and ruin other peoples good time.