Hopefully those actually guilty of a first time offense get it reduced to a week.
Repeat offenders deserve 30 days.
Innocent people being unbanned deserve an apology+ free month or something.
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Yeah same feeling here. Given how unpredictable this whole situation has been, I’m expecting the worst but hoping for the best. Keep hanging in there 
Just curious but do you think a lot of new players trying to experience the game did countless hours of AVs just sitting at a bunker watching TV?
I bet a few went through the system and are dealing with a bad appeal system, but I can’t imagine many.
Feel like most of the people trying to abuse AV by sitting at a base while alt-tabbed were veterans
Objectives are part of every battleground, and this needs to stop being an argument. This dude had a well though out post about objectives in my thread.
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This could be taken into account with almost any other BG. its rare you’d do a WSG without auto attacking someone. AV is an entirely different machine. Its not uncommon, almost every game, that someone has 0 damage and 0 healing but they helped in taking IBF or TP so that we could pull drek after the first 2 towers.
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I’m just a little concerned with this mentality. So in your situation lets say I sit bunker for 30+ games and I assist with preventing back caps in 10/30 games which still leaves 66% of those games as “not helping and being lazy” in your opinion and those 10 games are now losses if no one defends.
What is your solution to this? Groups roaming between the two bunkers doesn’t work because simply two-three stealthies could easily stomp anyone in a bunker if there is only 1-2 people and then cap before the roaming group can get back.
I was fortunately unbanned and was active in my games which is why this is so concerning for me. Soon as the tower burned I would leave, I would assist teammates on roads if they were fighting a 1v1 etc. I would head north to get to the boss etc. etc. just because I played a lot over a holiday weekend and had numerous games of low participation due to peoples opinion of “lazy” is a bust.
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So in my mind, someone who is actively playing won’t just sit in a bunker with a bunch of other people there.
They’ll use simple reasoning to leave the base, go to somewhere else they’re needed. Obviously defending bunkers is huge, but I just have a hard time imagine someone plays WoW “actively” for however many hours going to Stonehearth and sitting there every single time.
People get into a habit and take the same route a lot of the time. I am sure there are times they deviate due to changes in the game flow, but if it’s business as usual it’s the same route as usual.
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With that being said. I can’t count on my hands the amount of times i’ve gone to a tower with 4-5 people there and we get rolled up on my 10 Horde players and lose the tower anyway. Having people there is a deterrence to horde coming to back cap and helps your team to pull the boss faster.
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Things that didn’t happen. There might be some false positives, but the overwhelming majority of these are going to be idiots that thought they could get away with afking in vann’s room, or harpy cave. Or in a tower at base from the beginning of the game to the end.
I played a ton over the weekend, enough to level a druid from 66 to 70, and a warrior from 61 to 63. I don’t have an email about being banned, but then I was participating in every match.
Sometimes I was spending time taking mines, sometimes I was backcapping, sometimes I was defending a tower. Sometimes I was stuck in a zerg. Throughout each match I was communicating in chat, trying to point out ways we could win, and calling out AFKers.
Try not afking in AV?
Absolutely. In my mind, players like you obviously didn’t deserve it.
I think it’s pretty clear when someone is actively playing and not. It’s up to what Blizzard decides, but if you’re alt tabbed or doing something else for even 15% of every game, you shouldn’t be in those games.
Do you think a partial reason it was lost was because those players might have been not paying attention?
Cool so you were one of the lucky ones that didn’t have to deal with this. Congrats.
I never received an email saying I was banned either, just got banned. Then was unbanned later in the night with no correspondence. Ticket still open and untouched.
I’m guessing something like this happened if your appeal is still open. For those that haven’t been unbanned yet, they will likely have to go through the appeal system, or, as Orylia puts it,
It seems that not everyone caught in the banwave is completely innocent.
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Can we please be done with this discussion of what is considered participating and not participating, its obviously a grey area until blizz clearly defines the situation. Further discussion on this is pointless here and should be done on some other post.
The problem is what the AV meta has devolved into. Games can end in minutes by rushing the commander after 2 towers. You are defending IBT or TP? Who are you going to attack when the entire enemy team is sitting outside your commander?
This is obviously a unwarranted 30 day suspension for countless players.
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Again, false positives are not as common as people make them out to be. Most of the cry posts are from people who ate a just ban. I’ve been saying that they were going to ban wave right before wrath, that the people afking in AV, thinking they wouldn’t get punished, we’re going to miss wrath launch. Guess I was right again.
With the amount of people (myself included) that were unbanned and apologized to, this is a bad take.
See, I think it’s more a combination of both. Large numbers of malicious players reporting people afk for being low level, the system automatically flagging any people with reports which surpass a certain threshhold, and overworked GMs not realizing the “normal” strategy for AV can involve some players having zero or close to zero damage or healing, depending on other factors (I’ve been in so many AVs where everyone kills the archers in IBT then runs off leaving it undefended, and I’m left as the only person trying to defend after not having killed any archers myself) in a normal game, and rubberstamp approving the ban for the account that was flagged due to the community. No grand conspiracy involved, just a system that really isn’t working as intended.
Keep in mind I also said this. I have no insight into any specific incident.
IF that even applies to this situation I have no idea. I can only talk in generalizations and past history. I can only speculate like the rest of you.
You’re not wrong, a lot of people were victims here. However do a few AVs now, you won’t notice a lot of sitting people in a bunker after it’s burned.