BFA: Alliance Wins and future story telling

I actually really liked Benedictus and Fandral. I felt like they were sort of badasses because they were other “Boss” level mobs residing in Stormwind and Darnassus. And ruling over an entire branch of each city’s populace.

Fandral represented Druids, whereas Tyrande Sentinels. And Night Elf society was known to be split down a line between the two branches. And Benedictus represented the Church of the Holy Light, which is such a key component of Human lore, whereas Bolvar, even though he was a Paladin, he was representing the government side of Stormwind.

Having these other Boss level mobs added a lot of flavor to the cities.

I have more interesting and sensible faction dramas in my Total War Warhammer games.

Though I don’t really envy them the task of trying to appease both playerbases in that sort of scenario. I’m still Team “Done with the Faction War Crap, do something else, maybe forever.”

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Ditto … though honestly I’m on team “We’re stupidly overdue for a Anti-Cata expansion focused on small stories and racial narratives”. We need a chance to rebuild the WORLD of Warcraft. Blizz has really ground it down to the bone by this point in their pursuit of the WAR of World of Warcraft.

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The answer to one side getting their teeth kicked in is not to kick the other side’s teeth in too. The answer is to build the kicked-teeth side back up. Instead of night elves attacking more Horde they should be building a new home. Instead of Alliance leaders dying Horde leaders should be getting development.

In general Blizzard has a big problem about destroying without creating. Characters and locations seem to exist solely for the sake of being destroyed/killed but then never replaced. And this has been a problem for years. It’s also not exclusive to the Alliance and Horde; I’ve been complaining about it with dragons for damn near a decade now.

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Then you’d have to kill off Tryande and Sylvanas at a drop of a hat.

They’re loose ends that need to be tied off.

Though I don’t see Blizzard doing so until well into SLs.

You can be to that point and still win a war lol, in ww2 the USSR had more deaths than anyone else, did they lose the war?

Lol what did it really use to be though

Where is this number stated

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One of the on-going problems is that Blizzard is a big fan of “tell don’t show”, especially in BfA’s story. This was compounded by the fact that the Alliance and Horde war campaigns didn’t really intersect at all until the very end, so if players who favor one faction over the other saw a drastically different story.

Basically, they wanted to tell a story about all these far-reaching impacts the war would have, forever changing all of Azeroth. But, they didn’t really change Azeroth. So, they might have a quest-giver NPC (Jaina, Talanji, whomever) say, “You did great, Champion!” But that was the extent of it.

For example, I’ve completed Vol’dun on the Horde side, and everything Alliance side. So, I had no idea that Rastakhan was even a character prior to BfA, and I had no idea that he was a major character until I started reading these forums. To an Alliance character, Rastakhan was a “mid-raid” boss, because he never showed up in the Alliance campaign at all. His death really had no emotional weight on me, like… at all.

“You killed Rastakhan!”
“cool”

Like I said, everything feels like a half victory, because it never really impacted the game world at all.

“You destroyed the Horde naval fleet!”
“Uh… were they a problem? I didn’t ever see them outside of Zandalar.”
“Yeah! Well, no. But, they could have been!”
“So, does that mean we’re going to blockade Zandalar now?”
“No! All of your ships will be destroyed in the opening cinematic of the next patch!”
“cool”

I’m not saying that the Alliance, on paper, didn’t achieve some great victories. They did, and their victories likely outnumbered the Horde’s, even if those victories were costly. However, I have a major problem with the disconnect because players were only told about those victories, rather than being shown the need for the victory and the pay-off for achieving (or not achieving) it.

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I felt the exact same way (and have only done the same content as you, which could explain it). I actually felt bad at first, “Why are we killing this guy? He didn’t even do anything to us.” But then here on the forums the argument was that, because the Alliance had recruited the Kul’Tiran fleet, if the Zandalari could be taken out as a power, then, in theory, the Alliance would have won the war, to which my response then turned to, “I guess that makes enough sense.”

But then Sylvanas had Azshara destroy the Kul’Tiran fleet and the remainders of the Zandalari fleet, setting back what the players on both sides had been working for, so nothing actually really amounted to anything from the Kul’Tiras or Zandalari content.

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People thought Benedictus was the defacto human leader because the other option was the little boy’s body guard (Bolvar) who happened to be standing there, next to Onyxia. Benedictus appeared more important because he wasn’t placed to look like a babysitter. He wasn’t considered important because like Bolvar, all the players knew about him was that he was there.

Nobody thought Fandrel was the night elves’ leader; everyone knew it was Tyrande, and his voice files supported that. “Tyrande has no idea how to lead our people” being the big giveaway. Still, I’d dispute labeling him as unimportant; he was far more involved in questing than other leaders. IIRC, he ended the Teldrassil quest chain regarding the tree’s nightwells. He was the guy behind the morrowgrain quests. He was involved in the Scepter of the Shifting Sands questline. While a lot of evidence pointed to his inevitable darkside turn, he was hardly unimportant.

Benedictus had some bare involvement in two obscure quests. Him, yeah, he was overall unimportant.

Why is people discussing a Pyrrhic victory where both sides pretty much to lost to hype out the cunning of the dolls of Danuser(Sylvanas and Nathanos). Aside of the questing in the new continents, the story is pretty bland and bad that even turning off your brain doesn’t work much to make it bareable

What I do hope is some cold war scenario in the future once Baine and Anduin are out and real leaders step in to make the plot interesting and finally exploring the ideologies of both factions, rather than a poor imitation of a lesson from MLP.

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Speak of which, why is it that Thalyssra and other Nightborne elites were unable to handle Jaina in terms of magic? They practiced magic for over 10,000 years and somehow a human, no matter how talented, was able to overpower them singlehandedly. I can’t imagine anyone except Velen on Alliance side was able to accomplish that.

Sidenote: I can’t believe Blizzard avoided mentioning in BfA that Daelin Proudmoore was a racist bastard bent on killing all Horde. He had his justification, but Jaina’s character weakened the moment Blizz changed her inner struggle (also justified) into a simple guilty mistake. If it happened on real world media, it would’ve been a propaganda.

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At least it wasn’t a place where people came to complain about faction story imbalance (as much as it is now)

Humans have more affinity to the arcane because they’re decendants of titan constructs (see the guardian of tirisfall) , the masters of the arcane, its noted on the warcraft chronicles when the elves taught humans magic, i know its not the best explanation but its there, also when theramore was bombed (correct me if im wrong) she got infused by some arcane magic that changed her hair and eye color, the eyes went back to normal but the hair stayed.

EDIT: Page 130 sixth parragraph.

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The problem with this is that WoW humans have basically entered into “Jack of all trades, master of all” territory. From what I know, it’s actually fans of other Alliance races who have a bigger beef with this, because humans have become paramount in basically every aspect of anything that they touch.

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Looks at the windrunner sisters*

Ayyyy you elf girls love that big and thick human potential dontcha?

Seriously tho, I would like them to dial down the human potential.

Every indication is that Blizzard will just forget all that and hope that nobody remembers it. Then they will do it all again.

Did I mentioned I used play Horde?

I feel like this is a metaphor for the faction war, or at least Blizzard’s writing of it.

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TBH, I think Blizzard’s logic was “well, since the Alliance destroyed the Zandalari fleet, we need to destroy the Alliance fleet. Cuz parity, y’know?” I don’t think they were even cognizant that they literally were crafting the metaphor that defines BfA; “All your effort is for nothing, all you work for is in vain. Might as well have not even try to care, and just fall in a hole instead.”

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BfA was too busy, way too busy. It truly did feel like just a settup for the story they really wanted to tell with Shadowlands, so they started with the conclusion of BfA and tried to work their way backwards to fill in the pieces. C NEEDS to happen, so A happens here, and B happens there … and it doesn’t really matter if A and B make sense. They lead to C, and thats all that matters.

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