BFA: Alliance Wins and future story telling

Try to explain to me why the Alliance Draenei who were hosting the trip to go to their home planet of Argus would take Orcs with them.

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They took the Order Hall Champions with them. Vareesa brings the Alliance Order Hall Champions, while Liadrin brings the Horde Order Hall Champions.

Whether they would bring them is not the issue. The Horde is brought along as an afterthought. They are sidelined and irrelevant for an entire Patch that Focuses on Draenei, Turalyon, Alleria, Magni, and Illidan the Night Elf.

As the OP put it:

But even that aside, there was room for some Orc story. Saurfang could have visited Broxigar’s memorial. Or Thura. It could have been a good moment of reflection to have the Orcs aid in the defeat of the Legion and the liberation of Argus, after the Orcs were manipulated by the Eredar to begin with.

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Except that none of those Orcs went to Argus and had no reason to be brought along. Especially so since Varok participated in the Draenei genocide.

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The Alliance did not win the war.

The Horde was by no means in good condition and lost a few battles, though the Alliance’s fighting force was reduced to conscripts and had enough for one assault, win or lose, all might brought to bare. That’s roughly 100,000 soldiers. That’s very tiny for an army.

In the current narrative, the Horde has a slight advantage in that they’re more ahead in manpower, though they’re still in the situation the Alliance is in, in that they still have to replenish spent resources, coffers and manpower.

Nobody got a good deal out of BFA. Maybe the Horde just a tiny bit, but it’s by such a flea measure that it doesn’t matter.

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They had as much reason as anyone else to go. Liadrin brings the Horde’s representatives and Order Hall Champions. There may have been Orcs included. So there was no issue on the part of the Draenei.

There was no edict from Velen to Liadrin that stated: “Bring your Champions, but no Orcs.”

Again, the Horde was brought along, so your point is moot. They were brought along, and ignored. Even though the Orcs, Forsaken, and Blood Elves have as much a gripe with the Legion as anyone. Their issues were ignored.

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Only Belves were brought along. And that’s because of the good relations between the Draenei and Belves.

Find one other Horde race on Argus.

And Nightborne doesn’t count because they weren’t Horde at the time.

But sure you can count them too, at this point.

So I guess one non-Belf or Nightborne Horde race on Argus.

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I do not see that stated anywhere.

The Order Hall Champions of any Horde race and class go with Liadrin. Even though it looks like the Horde is entirely Blood Elves, it is not. Seeing as Blood Elves can not be every class, they alone did not represent every Order Hall.

And Legion is one of those Expacs where there were multiple Champions and adventurers of various Classes involved. Not just one Hero who did it all.

Saying only Blood Elves went to Argus is head canon.

Yeah, you can not even remain consistent through the course of one post.

Fake news. Only Alliance and Blood Elves went. In game lack of representation confirms it.

Also, in a particular case, Turalyon’s reaction to Faol essentially confirmes that Undead weren’t brought along.

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Turalyon’s reaction is because he knew Faol while they both were alive. Not just shock at the existence of Undead.

You sure like to make up stuff.

Wait. Blizzard put a reaction from Turalyon to Faol because he’s undead but neglected to put a reaction to shamans who are carrying the weapon that was used to kill Anduin Lothar?

*sighs at blizzard :frowning:

He treated Faol like an enemy, lol, because he was an unholy abombination, even though Faol was like a mentor to him in life.

From Gamepedia:

The draenei had completed the construction of the Vindicaar, a ship to transport the heroes of Azeroth to invade the Legion’s homeworld. The draenei had issued a call to arms to all of Azeroth to support the counter-offensive. The Alliance and the Horde have answered the call, with Lady Liadrin and Aethas Sunreaver leading the Horde reinforcements, and Vereesa Windrunner and Arator the Redeemer leading the Alliance reinforcements. Together, they rendezvoused at Azuremyst Isles where they boarded the Vindicaar

key words:

“all of Azeroth”

No where is it stated: “Only Blood Elves… but also Nightborn.”

The Armies of Legionfall are stated to be on Argus, and that was not entirely Blood Elves.

By that point in BtS, the Blood Elves spurned Alleria’s offer. Alleria and Turalyon are aware of Sylvanas leading the Horde. As far as he knew, the Forsaken were an enemy, as members of the Horde.

There is absolutely no evidence to support that any other Horde race was on Argus. If there was, we would have seen them.

Just because it’s unfair, at least from the unincluded’s perspective, doesn’t mean it’s non-canon.

Untrue. The Armies of Legionfall are a representation of all Races and Classes.

My Druid sees Tauren and Trolls on the Vindicaar. My Druid sees every race that can be his class. As do other Classes.

I am on my Druid, looking at a Tauren and a Troll.

This is untrue. And even if it were true, this doesn’t at all help your argument at all, as this would mean that every class sees something different, and thus it is absolutely left up to interpretation.

Another example of this was when the Horde saw Saurfang win the Gunship Battle in ICC, so that they could continue the raid in-game, but such is just inaccurate, as it was Muradin who won, proven by how events unfold later after the Saurfang Jr. fight, for Alliance players.

I was on my Druid in the Vindicaar. There is a Tauren and a Troll. That is just how it is.

By saying “untrue”, you are simply denying the facts for your head canon. Which is typical for your posts, so I am not surprised.

Ah, at least a touch of reality from you…

And that interpretation still involves Horde races other than Blood Elves on the Vindicaar.

The Gunship battle was clarified by lore as an Alliance victory.

The Argus campaign, on the other hand, was precisely what I mentioned: The Armies of Legionfall, the Horde, and the Alliance. The Draenei called on “all of Azeroth”.

The Armies of Legionfall are a combination of the Order Halls of every class and members of every race. They were canonically at the Vindicaar. No where does it say “only Blood Elven members.”

But it does say the Draenei called on “all of Azeroth” and that the Armies of Legionfall were there.

And btw, on my Dwarf Shaman, there are Orc Shaman on the Vindicaar. There are Orcs there.

Nope.

All the evidence is against you, and you have 0 evidence to support your claim. You only have your head canon and a baseless denial of what is actually canon.

Like every other post you make.

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Just took a quick trip to the Vindicaar. Guess what races I don’t see.

They really just need to wipe the board clean and give the Alliance leadership a good kick in the face.

I’m tired of seeing Horde having to give up their leaders like sacrificial offerings.