(BETA) Dragonflight Priest Talent Tree Feedback Thread

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When it comes down to it, there will be only one talent tree build for single target dps, one build for multiple target dps, one build for raid healing, and one build for dungeons after the theory crafters hash out the numbers. It doesn’t matter if you have trees or rows. That’s just the way things are.

The choice that trees (or rows) bring is for people who are futzing around or aren’t serious about the end game. I’m just confused as to why they spent so much time and effort to bring the trees back.

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It’s sunday :man_shrugging:

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Not here my friend. Monday, in oz. Doing my gym at the back of my house while i do acutions in game

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I play specs that are fun to play. I want to make specs fun to play again. My ideas come from that place of origin. I would not want to play specs that are not fun… I don’t care about numbers as long as its fun.

Currently, I am not playing retail because I don’t find it compelling enough in the fun department to consider my time for it.

Oh and your better then thou is showing again.

Yea… you did.
That statement is referencing the Legion Legionary situation because they self rez Holy Priest idea originated from that time.

So if that Legendary is too much because it was a “choice” between that and another and Shamans have a self rez that has a longer cooldown… it must not exist? That is your argument? Yet it did exist in Legion.

Because the interaction does not really exist.

The class tree has 2 talents that currently affect Renew.

  • Renewed Faith
  • Blessing of Renewal

Holy Tree (These have a massive interaction)

  • Surge of Light
  • Holy Conductor

The Holy tree needs more points to spend on things… or more choices. Those choices can come in the form of Renew and Prayer of Healing options. Does it need it? Probably not, but it can be expanded to offer more options of playstyle choice. My idea is just a start, not an entire fleshed out mechanic that has all the interactions it can possibly have accounted for.

This is what you mean yes ^ My point still stands, it does not offer any interaction with other talents… even if it did, that does not discount the Renew idea. Are you saying you will never put Renew on a target that you used a Direct Heal on? Your argument is that Prayer of Healing already has a HoT doesn’t detract from my idea as you can have Echo of Light and Renew on a target at the same time… shocker. So what are you saying?

Druids have multiple HoT spells on multiple people at the same time… shocking I know.

Once again… you can have Echo of Light and Renew on the same target “now”. the only difference is you are doing it with 1 spell instead of multiple… you know a playstyle option.

Ah there is that pompous pretentious prick attitude your known for again.

You don’t have the monopoly on how people might want to play specs.
I have played Holy in the past, just as I have with Disc and Shadow and other classes and specs in various versions of the game.

This is the time to voice what people like and hate and bring forth ideas that could be interesting. You are just once again trying to snuff out ideas you don’t agree with and you are trying to throw your perceived weight around like it supposed to matter… you don’t.

You have your opinions, I have mine. All opinions are allowed to be brought forth. You are not the gatekeeper of ideas so you can just deal with that fact and move along.

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Aren’t you doing that as well? He’s voicing that he is againsts your idea(s), kinda what you’re advocating for…

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No, he is saying they should not exist… not on the merit of the ability, but because how the game and options currently is.

As I stated, he is focused on “In the box thinking” I approach from “Out the box thinking” in that I try to come up with ideas that do not take into account predefined set rules / playstyle… I mean they can be, but I try to see if I can inject some different ways to see / play the game that could both make use of what we have and expand on it.

His argument is not on the merit of my idea, its the fact that it doesn’t currently fit / interact or it already kind of exists in a mastery dot…

He can have that stance, but I was just making sure he understands that it not an argument based on the idea itself, its based on the options that currently exist… meaning he has no capacity to imagine further interactions based on my “seed” idea and see what it can grow / morph into based on further discussions from others… instead he wants to quickly stamp it out as seen by his reaction. That is just being a bully as further evidence based on what he says and acts later.

If it was a really bad idea… then let it be ignored and it will die naturally, it does not need the arbiter of the Priest forms to dictate why it should never be a thing because of short sightedness.

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No, you approach from a “i have no experience with what im talking about so you should listen to me over the person/people who DO have that expereince” Like your lack of understanding and wishful thinking invalidates those with experience.

When Publik talks i listen. When Ellipsis talks i listen. These are aknowledged masters of their craft. Only an idiot disregards what they have to say.

While i have played holy to a decent level, i understand those like caps/cath are better in tune then i am.

Once again i listen and dont out of hand disregard what they say. They have earnt it.

I understand Disc. But i am not a numbers person, like caps. Im a how it feels person.

Problem is thats how misinformation starts. People with little to no experience come to the forums to talk priest, find out information, find out how to do things better. To give views. The issue is we have you and the DH wanting to make changes with limited experience on what the cost of that will be. These new people come the forums and see oh lots of peope want pws/DA back and focus on that cause thats where the discussion is.

not where it shuold be, which is our current talent tree. What does each spec need in there to do their jobs with a little fantasy thrown in. Information is being drowned out by wishful thinking.

Im happy to be wrong. No issues there, we were wrong when we said absorbs wouldnt come back and SS did. It does happen.

But your muddying the waters. You would not understand what a holy priest who is healing 15’s needs in his game play, because you cant relate.

You might approach it from fun. But fun will not by itself get a disc priest into pug 25’s atm.

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Disc Priest Talent Feedback

  • Inner Light and Shadow: The idea of trading throughput for mana efficiency at the press of a button is cool, but it has too many drawbacks in it’s design when applied in a raid environment, and I think many will opt to always keep the spell on Inner Shadow.

    One reason is that it’s a full GCD to swap between the two “stances”, and when used properly for an Atonement ramp, a priest would swap to Light before ramping, then back to Shadow after activating Evangelism. The problem is that the priest is already on a very short timer to cast damage spells to capitalize on the ramp, so having to spend precious GCDs on an activation spell is potentially a loss in HPS, especially when you’re only gaining slight mana efficiency.

    Another issue is the mana cost of the Inner Light/Shadow spell itself. Toggling the ability takes 500 mana, so cycling once for each ramp would cost 1000 mana. The priest would have to cast Shadowmend 4 times, or Radiance twice each ramp in order to break even for the cost of cycling the ability, which is done for the sake of mana efficiency. Power Word: Shield not being affected by Inner Light also prevents a lot of opportunity to save mana during ramps after breaking even.

    Even if all the issues listed above are alleviated in some way, another problem remains, which is that there’s very little thought required for when it would be best to toggle the spell. You would always switch to Light before ramping up, then switch to Shadow before dealing damage.

    Proposed Solution: Redesign the Inner Light portion of the spell so that the window to cycle between stances is shifted off the ramp window. Essentially, something where you’d prefer to switch into Shadow before ramping. An idea I had is Inner Light interacting with damage spell mana cost instead of healing spells. Even with this change, it’s likely that the priest would still be in Shadow 90% of the time, but it allows room for decision making on when to sacrifice DPS outside of ramps for mana efficiency.

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Its more inner light while ramping and then hit shadow evang and go to down dpsing. Does anyone know if it has a gcd? or can it just be macrod in?

I just looked at the talent? has no mana cost? Have you seen on live that it does?

Its lot like inner fire and inner will, so im glad they brought it back

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I’d really prefer not to get name dropped like this.

Frankly I think hearing wacky out of the box ideas is good, discussing them, showing appreciation for aspects of them we enjoy etc etc. Even if something is ‘too good’ or ‘wouldnt work in practice’ it shows what players want to be able to do, and that’s feedback developers can use to provide that fantasy or experience. I’m still generally not a fan of posting ability redesigns and whatnot, but discussion surrounding them can absolutely be constructive.

It’s when people get at each others throats over if their idea is / isn’t helpful that things get unproductive. Even if someone’s idea is demonstrably not good, it still shows what that person would like to be able to accomplish with their character, or more often what perceived gap in their spec’s capabilities is bothering them.

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My aplogies mate

I still stick to my view that someone who has not healed a 15 cant possibly know what that class/specs needs. Same as i coudnt possible know what a CE shadow priest needs which would be different then what i need from the spec. But i dont automatically discount their views just because they do higher content then me.

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That’s fair, there’s definitely merit to expertise. But I would say that all opinions from active players on the current state of a spec have merit. People also obviously have favourite eras and personal feelings even without playing actively too.

You may, with your expertise, recognise that a point someone makes isn’t true, or that an aspect they think is weak is actually strong and while it’s fair to point that out, it’s unlikely to be the whole story. Is there a reason for that difference in opinion?, is that aspect of the specs kit comparatively harder to execute or more difficult to interpret from reading it’s spells? These are questions I suspect have pretty enlightening answers a lot of the time.

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I respect what you say., But he isnt an active player that i can see. He is lvl 50 and his experience is a few xpacs out of touch.

But i understand the point you are making and im nit picking

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The pvp talent in retails is on the gcd.

I don’t know of it’s really going to be the case. I wonder for the ramp… With how much we generaly overheal, it feels like it’s going to stay in light for raid to me?

Maybe more toward inner shadow in m+ and pvp I beleive would switch it up a bit like how it’s used right now. :thinking:

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Does the pvp talent have a mana cost. Not on my priest atm. Still doing auctions

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If you want to go into tunnel vision and only focus on a point of authority to dictate you path in life then that’s on you.

The fact that you are so ruffled over this proves the fact that if you don’t think someone should a have say, you are going to find a reason to jump in and discredit what they have to say regardless of the merit of what they actually said.

See this is funny, if some idea came from a stranger, or a Blizzard rep, or a gym nut… instead of focusing on the idea… you focus on WHO said the idea. Meaning you are biased on the source and not the idea. You are SHORT sighted as I stated. You are a bully because if YOU do not value the source, you think its all trash. You are proving this here and now for all to see.

Meaning anyone you perceive as lessor, you try to dismantle what they say based on WHO they are… not the IDEA they brought forth. You are a bully at the core.

This is like saying a mom and pop business should not a have say in how a business is conducted because they are not the mega powers that have a vast control over the world because they haven’t earned the right to say it. You are disgusting.

Okay… so by this logic, everything anyone says at least in this thread since you are actually participating in it… anything that is said that you think should NOT be discussed, you should have and will bring a point of contention based on specifically the person saying it. This is FORUM, not a small executive blizzard meeting.

So by that logic of yours… every single idea that is shared here that you did not jump in and have something to say about means it is a GOOD idea.
I can scroll up and quote various ideas recently that I think are questionable and I pretty sure you would agree… but you chose to ignore those… not based on the “idea” that you seem to think but because you don’t know the “authority” of the person saying it.

Dude, get your head our of your behind.

you are not the arbiter of ideas… this is a FORUM… deal with it. You are a pathetic disgusting person for having the gull to think you can act as a gatekeeper of ideas based on the PERSON with the ideas. Go pound sand.

So what, let them. This is not your forum. This is Blizzard forum and any and all ideas and thoughts should have a place. It is not YOUR place to decide who and what is allowed to be brought up and discussed.

That’s how ideas start fool. You think they have a clear understanding of how the game works in every little detail and aspect without first pitching ideas in a open meeting / office space at Blizzard? No, they toss around ideas and see how it sticks and if enough people like it and can further expand on it it then becomes a ever growing idea until it works itself into the game in some aspect.

The forums is that venue for the people that play the game to come together and share ideas. This is not YOUR forum, this is Blizzards. Your experience does not grant you or any other a high then though opinion that forces others to submit to. If you want to life you life like a submissive little child that cant think about or consider anything other than those that you deem to have value then that’s your choice. But you do not get to push your way of thinking onto others on a public forum. Get your head out of your own behind.

By your logic, that source can only come from a point of authority… if you think that’s where the only ideas that get implemented come from then your have no idea how the real world works…

This is why “new blood” is a saying, having an outsider / new / fresh perspective actually has a massive return on investment when it comes form ideas as you are not inundated with a bias point of view based on past experience.

The game is a lot more to the game than a select slivers of endgame content. Not every talent will be used in every type of content. Again… you are single minded thinking and stunk with your own bias and understanding. you have no room to expand your notion of what the game can be and if anyone has an idea that you don’t deem as having earned the right to be heard then they should be silenced.

You are just a gross authoritarian thinker.

Last time I checked, This idea was for HOLY. Once again you prove you are just arguing for the sake of arguing because you don’t deem an idea as having value if you don’t deem the person sharing said idea as having earned respect from an authority perspective.

You really are just the schoolyard bully aren’t you lol. Sad and pathetic.

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Yep. 500 mana.

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Im going to take it that since the talent doesnt in the tree that we can hope it doesnt in DF cause the op is right, spending mana to save mana is a little counter intuitive

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I was sitting in on a discussion between some disc players on alpha and they said swapping stances to get the mana reduction costed more mana than it saved if you were trying to swap intuitively.

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Yeah that def needs to be changed then. It will become a dead talent, one as the op stated will be left in one state cause its too expensive to move it