It’s pretty annoying being in a 29 bracket and having covenant abilities spammed at you.
Yeah, I’d love adaptive swarm for PvP. I was talking ranked BGs, not random though. Not really likely I catch people off guard once we get around 1800ish.
Your raid leader is the problem - he sounds like, among other things, something of a sexist pig. All the promises he made about members free to play / choose what they enjoy were false, so he’s obviously full of sh*t. Just find another guild - you’ll find one that works populated by good people.
Most of everything above this is just us disagreeing on language and me taking offense to “play for fun” = “don’t care”, I think that’s pretty well clarified and doesn’t need to be addressed. Language thing, not something we actually disagree on.
I feel like this perspective is one of the key differences between CE raiders and a perspective closer to mine, for the ease of discussion I’m calling it casual.
You prefer Aff and dump it for the sake of the content. Even if it’s a teeny, tiny difference (it’s not) you’re still prioritizing the actual completion of the content (which is perfectly fine) over the character you might prefer to play.
Brewmaster is fun for me, thematically and gameplay. This isn’t the case right now, but even if it was a bottom tier tank I would still choose that experience over a different tank that isn’t as fun. In line with that view, as a whole, I’m not interested in CE raiding, unless I can get there casually without major gameplay changes. I mean, I love raiding and I’m on an RP server. I’m not willing to make the sacrifices to join that kind of guild.
Is it underselling your potential, or an entire perspective on gameplay that doesn’t align with CE raiding? That’s not wrong, or implies you don’t care, it’s just that the experience of character is more important than the experience of content. That’s more my point, and it’s an entire spectrum where people fall in with priorities. If I’m prioritizing content completion over the character I want to play, and it’s not incredibly painful to do so-- as you’d mentioned aligns with your perspective-- why wouldn’t I change to whatever’s best?
I can’t, and I think that’s a horrible reason for wanting them to be swappable. There shouldn’t be an unviable, unplayable Covenant ability. The idea that Blizzard should be given a free pass by just making it ignorable raises my hackles. They should be screamed at to fix this crap, not shrug and slap a bandaid on it.
I’d wager we agree on that thought in whole, just with different ideal solutions.
Groups of all sorts will be harder to join if you’re using the wrong covenant, especially when there’s a clearcut best choice for the content.
Ah ranked ok. Hmm well I mean there is a first time for everything right? Maybe you’ll get lucky. How far are you in your renown ranks? If you’re very low then changing covs won’t be too much of a drawback.
Great story. Go join another guild that doesn’t care, make your own guild or pug raids…
Well that does sound pretty over the top for a reaction.
However, I almost picked Night Fae for my protection paladin, but after going with the “meta” I’m SO HAPPY I did. Divine Toll is absolutely monstrously powerful, especially for snap threat in dungeons. There is a reason 78% of prot pals went with that covenant. The other 22% are probably regretting their choice.
In your situation, assuming you want to stay in guild, I’d just go swap it over and let the heat simmer down.
I’m capped, 9 renown rn. I dont want to switch though, convoke is too strong for PvE which is my primary focus. It just sucks that its no good for PvP.
“Go join a guild you don’t care about or go guildless” is not a good solution to her problem.
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That’s also not the solution that the person you replied to suggested.
Well I mean I’m told swarm is terrible for pve but so far im finding a way to make it work and I’m the farthest from "skilled at anything lol but yeah I get your reasoning. Just do what you enjoy and what makes you happy I say. Ignore the naysayers lol
Best solution is “find a guild you like with like minded people in it”. This is a VERY tall order, but once you’ve done it, you hopefully never need to do it again.
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Yeah, absolutely. It isn’t my guild putting the RBG restriction on me, I’m putting it on myself. I don’t want to be an anchor, preventing them from pushing as high as they possibly can. So, I’ll just keep doing raids and mythic+ and go herbing or alting during RBG times.
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Judging by the normal raid I tried, you’re gonna want to min/max your characters for heroic+, so if you picked the wrong covenant, you’re playing wrong.
His problem is that he’s making a bait thread, using a buzz topic that have been beaten into the ground by the forums already, for the sole purpose of getting attention.
If I don’t like a job I’m working at, because of certain rules of theirs, I quit the job and find another one. Same thing applies here.
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This was not remotely meant to be a bait thread nor do I need attention. This was a real problem I experienced. My mistake was turning to fellow gamers who might understand and be able to answer my questions. Trust and believe my lesson has been learned and I will not be asking the forms for advice in the future.
I bid you all good day and thank those who have helped and offered real advice.
Right, that’s what they all say…
What you wanted was an echo-chamber, what you didn’t get was an echo-chamber.
Ultimately, pures and hybrids have different rules when it comes to what you have to “sacrifice” in regards to flexibility.
Players are typically expected to play a role. As a Tank, you’re not exactly expected to be able to play your Healing or DPS spec at the same level of competence. It’s nice if you can, as it gives your raid a huge degree of flexibility, but it’s rarely necessary. (Though it is reasonably common for a melee DPS to be able to fill in for a tank for fights that require three, or if your regular tank can’t make it).
As a DPS, especially a pure DPS, that expectation is there. I’m expected to be able to play all three Warlock specs and part of that is an expectation of myself. A natural outcome of DPS being the most optimization dependent role is that when you have multiple DPS specs, learning to play them all since they’re good in different forms of content.
So I the better way of putting it is that you’re allowed a mindset of being a Brewmaster Monk, or a Holy Paladin, but not really one of being only a Demo Warlock, not if you want to be competitive (which DPS slots typically are).
It’s not really completely unaligned with CE raiding.
I speak in broad terms, but CE level raiding is a pretty broad spectrum of gameplay. My guild is on the more “casual” side of this, with us generally sticking to our two days a week schedule for Mythic prog and making any additional raids outside that (like Heroic or Normal) optional if they aren’t explicitly in raid times.
You could be a CE level raider and still exclusively play SV Hunter, but someone who would be capable of competing if SV was good at a top 100 level might have to play at a top 400-500 level if the spec they specialized in fell out of the meta.
But everyone’s got the point where going further is no longer fun. Personally I dropped out of higher level raiding because I didn’t enjoy split runs or 4 day a week raiding, and in that sense you could argue I’m “underselling my potential” just as much as someone who drops down the ranks to purely play SV.
Pretty much. I don’t like that some abilities are garbage. But I’ve accepted that it was always going to be an inevitability.
You can’t really have four “separate but equal” abilities. There’s pretty much always going to be a dud, or an ability so ahead of everything else it makes the other options look like duds.
To me the situation however is much worse because of the nature of Covenants, not that it’d be inherently good if the abilities were like talents.
The covenant wasn’t the biggest issue there. If your raid leader feels like they need to throw out personal attacks at all, for any reason, and not treat you with respect, they don’t deserve you on the team. I’m glad for you that you quit.
Now that we have that out of the way…
If the guild is stating you have to pick based on raid performance, I’d say that’s a bummer but it’s what was agreed to. Saying you can pick whatever covenant you want and then getting upset when people literally do the thing you said to is not great leadership.
I think you should pick the covenant that works for you and find a guild that’s okay with that, or at least willing to have a respectful conversation about it and give the content a chance with preferred covenants before insisting on what the spreadsheet says you need. Based on past experience, if some covenants are “too” good that it actually IS making more than .1% difference in DPS or whatever, it WILL GET NERFED and half the raid will likely have to switch covenants, or be less than perfect.
Really, the recipe for long term success/happiness is picking the one you want, and finding a guild that’s willing to talk about covenants honestly and respectfully.
Good luck finding your new guild home. 