Scrap the vault, give valor every week. Dungeon drops scale to +20, and you can only upgrade loot for a dungeon you’ve timed.
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Unfortunately, due to the nature of most boss fights mechanics checks are still kind of dps checks. if you make a raid do a mechanic enough times they’ll wipe, do more dps and you won’t get as many mechanics to do.
The whole game is becoming the majority held hostage by min max compulsions.
Your non-fun is a just reward.
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The great vault would be fine if not great if loot actually dropped in dungeons. I had to run Plaguefall exclusively one week because the weapon I needed just would not drop and I had to rely on maximizing my chances with the vault to get it.
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Just give M+ players max level drops in return for removal of the vault and it’s good. Could even make max level drops come from +17/18s if they needed to. The vault is just really unfun for me and really punishes the unlucky.
Well I mean when the gear drops are so low and terrible and your ONLY gear comes from this vault…its the reason many “like it.”
We are forced to because honestly its where most all my upgrades come from because god help my toons when I go through an entire raid to see maybe one item drop.
Worse part is even after that theirs no really good items in the vault.
I still think a currency to allow buying items from raid would be good. Would offer more targeted gearing.
Weapon drops suck…
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I’d like the vault better if one of the options was just a currency you could accumulate and spend on a specific slot roll. Kinda like the old azerite armor vendor.
I don’t think it needs to be removed, seems pointless.
You mean like what they used to have lol
Bellular is half-wrong in this case. People also get bored very quickly of determistic rewards. It should always be a little of both, not all one or the other.
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Its a MMORPG, people do what will progress them the fastest or get them the best gear, pretty basic idea. Even if it burns them out and makes them quit. This is the typical blame the player not the system statement.
I’m pretty sure a blue post once said something about how the great vault should feel like Christmas every Tuesday, smh. Imagine the spoiled rotten, messed up kids that would emerge if they were exposed to a system that gave presents every Tuesday from completing weekly chores, but only 5% of the gifts were worth working for lol.
When it comes to the psychologic affect these certain rewards in mmos have on us, I 100% agree with Bellular. Wildstar’s path systems for Scientists and Explorers had players solve puzzles for exploration or discovery and the only “reward” given was a small amount of currency that was basically nothing, but players continued to solve them purely for the enjoyment of intrinsic reward.
For WoW, it’s kind of too late. I honestly don’t know how they could smoothly transition to a better system with intrinsic motivation when all their current players have already been made to expect extrinsic rewards. Maybe if they started with a rewards system that was less RNG and allowed us to target items with currency. 
The great vault is great. Someone got a raid piece! Oh the horrors! Oh no! Some sap got a raid piece for doing non raid content. Cry babies. Lol get a freaking life OP.
idk i really enjoy the vault lol
They could smoothly transition by making it not a miserable drain on the entire game. It isn’t some monumental challenge to make the loot in the game fun. It is a monumental challenge to get Blizzard to want to make the loot fun. They don’t need suggestions, there’s a thousand different ways they could make tiny adjustments in a hotfix to permanently solve every issue with the vault. They just don’t want to because it wouldn’t jive with their goals of tricking as many people as possible to buy as many tokens as possible to fill their vault every week.
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I don’t really have a problem with the great vault (sure it could do a better job trying to not provide the same stuff week after week or to ensure upgrades) but I find it far better than the “bonus rolls”. At least this way I know I will be getting something if I do the content. Bonus rolls were basically more “AP” three times a week 
Ya… they should absolutely NOT REMOVE the vault like maybe make gearing better bring warforging / titenforgeing back m+ gear / pvp /raid gear all same ilvl so people can gear in all forms of content without waiting for vault … vault is bread an butter for all removing is no question bad for the game
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Bellular is an idiot who makes a living complaining about the game. If the game was fixed he would have no content.
Listening to Bellular is asinine.
ADD MORE CONTENT BLIZZARD.
STOP REMOVING START ADDING
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I’ve never gotten anything from that vault, not even once. Granted, I don’t do any of the things you need to do in order to get something from it, but I still think it should give me something! 
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Completely untrue considering he has other channels talking about other games (typically good things). Plus, he started his content and built up a fan base by talking well of WoW and just reporting the news, which still happens when Blizz actually does things right.
He is a cult leader. Try having an independent opinion- you may find it refreshing.
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