Think he was talm bout classic+ not fresh brah
That is a tree you will be barking up for the rest of your life lol. I have 0 respect for anyone who purchases or plays retail in any capacity when it comes to gaming opinions.
This topic is about a Vanilla WoW fresh, not Classic+ but lets humor that topic a bit.
Classic+ has been done already. It exists in many forms and provided a better product than Blizzard currently does. We don’t have to agree on what content it entails, it just needs to check that + box. If Blizzard did an official Classic+ I would certainly try it, will it be good or successful? That, in my opinion, lies solely on Blizzards (design philosophy).
The design philosophy of SoD is “EVERYONE GETS EVERYTHING!”. Everyone has a Thunderfury, Everyone clears every raid, everyone gets rank 14 and now everyone is getting their Scarab Lord mount. THIS right here is the death of ANY MMO right out the gates. It may not become apparent immediately but it is 100% the main life draining force of any MMO.
I spoke on this exact topic before here
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That core design philosophy is so flawed that ANY content Classic+ provides is completely null and void. It means nothing. There is no accomplishments to be had, nothing to EARN, nothing to set yourself out from the crowd. At that point, why even bother playing this “MMO”?
Regardless, lets assume they learned from the SoD core design failure (huge doubt) and they do release a Classic+. When that is released, just as this topic says, BE CLEAR ABOUT THE FUTURE OF CLASSIC+. How long is it going to be developed? Will we ever go higher than level 60 (I’m not playing if so), will there be NEW zones in the world and not just the same exact world with crap thrown into it, will balance be a focus, etc. etc.
We need to know the plans, the time length(how long is this supported), and the core design goal. We need to know if it’s even worth our time to jump into this thing.
Now. Back onto the main topic of this post.
CLASSIC FRESH > BC > WRATH. Make. It. Happen.
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What does BC / Wrath add that is better than just resetting vanilla?
I find the world pvp and early ranking of a vanilla fresh a million times more appealing than bc / wrath.
I mean its not a huge deal I’d just play Era until the next fresh, but I just wonder what do people see in those game modes. They are basically retail. TBC / wrath are much closer to retail than they are to vanilla.
A great question. I want longevity. I’m sick of the guaranteed death of my characters and efforts.
All things come to an end, that will never change, but at least giving some more life to our efforts would mean a lot to me.
I’m just so sick of the seasonal approach. Vanilla fresh ending 1 year to 1 1/2 years later is just another seasonal approach.
MMOs are about continuing on. Keep going, keep adding to your efforts, carry your character onward. Give us LONGEVITY!
100% agree. Vanilla is BIS.
Ehhhhhh. This would be a topic that would have wildly varying opinions from person to person.
That’s one of the reasons I would love a Classic+ experience that feels very Vanilla like. Essentially Classic with more content, none of this “everyone gets everything BS”.
My fun ends with Wrath though, Cata is where the true retail plague sets in for me.
I guess the diff is that I really enjoy Era and love that forever p6 locked allows everyone time to get gear and that allows for really good pvp.
Also I can take break for months and play my toons and they are still wsg ready
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Less than 10 days remaining until Warcraft Direct. Surely they have something good lined up for us…right?
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Vanilla should be seasonally reset every 6 months.
Agreed, but maybe 1 or 2 years is less chaotic.
And it can just dump into Era so people can always have good endgame pvp and pve.
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Honestly wouldn’t be against this. 6 months is a bit short would make it longer personally.
What if there were fresh starts with the option for BC > Wrath or Era?
1 Vanilla Server that lasts 1 year. When the server ends you choose BC(lasts one year) or era.
When BC launches so does the new Vanilla server. When BC ends it goes to Wrath. So on and so forth.
Everquest does this exact thing on a cycle through all their Expansions and it works quite well.
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1 year for Vanilla, 1 year for TBC and 1 year for WotLK would definitely be an ideal and fun 2025 to the end of 2027 gaming experience.
If only Blizzard cared about its community like it did back in the day. Instead of this sub number chase game they are playing at Blizzard.
No one wants this whole “Retail numbers are starting to slow!! Now is the perfect time to release Firelands so we can keep some of our sub bleed”
Only problem with that mindset is the fact that there are a lot of people who would rather play 1 version of WoW at a time.
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Said it before and I’ll say it again. As much as I love the classic trilogy, the release of classic 2019 opened the floodgates that have led to the current mess we’re in now with four versions (five if you count hardcore). Would have better off if they just stuck to retail and left the older versions to the private servers.
Well…at that point just play on the private servers.
I’ve always been of the belief that WoW players tend to require WAY more players on their server than they could possibly need or ever play with.
Most players would say a server with 2k-4k active players is a “dEaD SeRvEr” when in reality that’s probably the perfect active player count. Too many players causes it’s own issues and too few causes even more.
WoW has a population so large that it could absolutely support multiple iterations of the game running simultaneously. Everquest has less than 10% of WoW’s players and it pulls this off without any issue.
I truly believe the seasonal crap needs to end. At least cut that off to stop the “yearly” launches of yet another iteration and actually give players the versions they want.
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Yeah it is definitely annoying the secrecy about the future of classic for some grand announcement, really makes you question how it will be overall if they’re not keeping community in the loop. Classic era is fun for a bit but the inevitable end game and lack of content really ruins it overall. We need something new and permanent it’s been 5 years.
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I mean all I ever wanted was a rotating classic server. I would even be ok with a classic realm that went from vanilla to wotlk and reset every couple years. Everyone knows its comin. I’d probably roll a different class every time. I don’t even need tbc or wotlk though. I’d be ok with just vanilla resetting on a cycle.
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I’ll only fall for the “progress into TBC” Classic server again if they unequivocally promise it ends as a TBC ERA server. None of this ridiculous forced “progression” into more 20 year old expansions I don’t want to play again. I want to stay in TBC forever.
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I don’t care if they delete my entire account after TBC. The game only has play value when it’s actively moving through the phases. You just end up with hyper inflated era otherwise, which is uninteresting.
This is not true at all. The gated phases are the problem that makes people quit playing the game when it’s over.
Remove this and just have all content open on day one with no nerfs… and it’s just a game people can play at their own pace for as long as they want.
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I disagree strongly.
I personally enjoy the phases, the gated content and the slow roll to the end game.
Allowing content to be “skipped” essentially throws more than half the content of vanilla out the window.
Hit 60, do ZG, then AQ20, some AQ40 and straight to Naxx. Server is “done” in 2 months tops.
I personally want longevity and a future to my MMOs.
I’m kinda surprised they don’t just have different servers progressing through the timeline. Like they could just release a fresh classic server every half year or quarter. Then just merge realms when population goes on. Different realms could be at different stages of the classic->retail timeline of expansion release and progress through it in a staggered manner.
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