I’ve just started not talking to anyone that isn’t in my guild or on my Btag.
I won’t Help anyone that isn’t in 1 of those 2. If I can’t be mean when needed then i don’t need to be nice either so I avoid it all.
You always could, and why would you even say that to someone anyway?
Leave the group, put them on ignore so you don’t get matched with them again (if you’re that upset about their play), and be done with it.
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He does on his alt account the way I understood it.
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It’s always been like this. The reason why it felt like “back then” you could say or do whatever you wanted was because people had thicker skin and didn’t care.
This new generation though, the ones being raised by iPads and Fortnite are fragile and get offended way too easily.
So pretty much, it just comes down to a generational gap.
Lol! I absolutely love the thumbnail facial expressions of content creators. They are trying soooooo very hard and its just about one of the funniest things on social media these days. 
that… and it’s a whole lot easier to report with the updated report functions.
why do you NEED to be mean?
what an odd attitude.
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I see where you are coming from.
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It took less time then I thought it would.
Let me give you the examples of what I have been talking about all along.
Post hidden due to flags.
A long time ago I heard a person make a statement that has stuck with me.
“Be very precise about the things you say.” In this post, I did just that.
Nothing said was an inflammatory statement about a person, or group of people. Nothing I said was censored, or written to circumvent the filter. It was just my opinion of how the game is, and how I see it.
Then we have this. It is literally a derogatory comment directed at me. Not much more to explain about it. This person is attempting to be inflammatory to bring out an equally or more advanced bit of inflammatory comment toward them. It is against the Forums Code of Conduct, and in a fair system, would have action taken against them.
This is where the problem lies.
In every bit of text I write, in all communication on Blizzard’s platform, I have to be very specific and very detailed about what I choose to say. Because for me, if I step outside the line, even slightly, there is a punishment for me even if the words follow the letter of the law. Yet, we have others who can do and say whatever they damn well please.
It isn’t an issue here on the forums. Whether I can post or not makes little difference. I haven’t gained anything from the World of Warcraft forums, outside a chuckle here and there, in many years. Where it does matter though is in game. My account is 1 year or so younger then yours. The first character I ever created is still present in my character select screen. I have items and little bits of history in my inventory that are either no longer attainable, or mean something from the past. One wrong word, in one wrong discussion and I can be relieved of all these things. Yet someone like Nui can say and do the most horrid of things and still be present in game, and be hailed a hero.
No, the ideas you put forth about everyone being part of a community and having more in common then not is a scapegoat for the reality. The reality is you belong to the group with the freedom to speak. The freedom to have an opinion, no matter what it may be. And like I just presented, the freedom to use words you would condemn coming from my mouth. Its a double standard and the rules mean less then nothing if they are not applied equally to everyone.
if you dont want to get banned just don’t violate the social contract it’s not hard. if someone gets banned for something seemingly minor i guarantee you there is something else going on beneath the surface we cannot see
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Your language was rude, insulting, dismissive, and attempted to target what you seem to see as a group of “others” . You seem to want to make it clear that you are not like “those people”. Other players reported you.
Which means that your post is still there, but enough other posters reported it that it is greyed out pending Moderator review. It can still be clicked on and read. Blizzard forums have always had a means to grey out posts pending Mod review. The previous methods was downvotes.
Maybe, just maybe, the rules have always been here. I cited that for you pointing out that even in 2004 that reference to “hateful speech” was in there. It is not some sort of newfangled buzz word. Wanting to say really mean or horrible things is not ok. Some opinions should be kept to yourself in public.
I learned that when I was really little. I said something to my aunt that really upset her. When my parents had a talk with me my defense was “but it is TRUE”. It was true. I don’t remember what it was, outfit or something maybe? but the point has remained. Just because something is true does not mean it is kind to say or NEEDED.
It is fine not to like something, not to want to do something. Let others exist in peace. Let them enjoy what they want to enjoy. If something is legal, done with consent, and not happening in my house, it is not really my concern. I don’t care who someone loves, what hobbies they enjoy, what color their hair is, what color their hat is, what shoes they wear. I don’t care if they are good at WoW, or have a horrible transmog.
The reports? You have the right legally to say what you want without the Govt putting you in jail. Private property owners also have rights, I am sure you would agree. That means setting and enforcing rules. There are also social consequences - in that other people have the right to use tools to let you know they don’t like what you said. The mods can then either unflag it, delete it, or even penalize you. You can say what you want, as long as you realize there maybe repercussions and you are good with that. You seem to be good with it, just don’t act upset when you get the outcome you were fishing for.
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You’re missing the point.
The thread is about people being bullies. People being “toxic”. What punishments should be doled out to those who break the rules.
My stance is, the rules do not apply to everyone equally. That undesirable speech is only undesirable when certain people “speak”.
You conveniently left out the fact that when posted side by side, my comment to theirs, one breaks the Forums Code of Conduct, and the other does not. I will more then likely be punished, its always due to the caveat of “trolling” based on Blizzard’s moderator perception of the statement.
On the flip side, Nui will have zero punishment levied against them for actually making a statement that breaks the rules.
You can evoke some lesson you learned a long time ago, but that doesn’t mean much in regard to who has to follow the rules and who doesn’t.
This brings me right back to my original point. Because the rules only apply to certain people, those certain people must use alternative means of communication. The Blizzard medium cannot be trusted. You will follow every rule that exists, but if you don’t tow the line, much like you do, then you are in danger of having years of work removed from your possession.
Its just safer to not engage.
You can strawman that lack of engagement means you wish to have some outlandish opinion that flies directly in the face of truth, but we both know that’s not the case. A simple opinion that others take issue with, even if written within the rules, can remove your ability to utilize your time and energy spent in an activity spanning almost 20 years.
I don’t actually find that you are wrong in the want you have for people to be kinder to one another. Only that you have convinced yourself that we are all on equal footing. We are not.
This happened in classic (not 2023 World of Warcraft, i.e. retail) - and had nothing to do with a chat interaction. In fact, neither party said a word to the other. You may have had a point if you had any idea what you were talking about, or at the very least didn’t try and downplay the fact that you asked for proof that people were chat banned back in the day and were given it.
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I never once asked for proof. That was given of their own free will.
Oh so you mean a streamer was griefed? I’ll believe it next time an actual normal player gets support.
Seems to be the marketing strategy for Activision/Blizzard, you can recieve customer service as long as you’re promoting their games or content. Griefers in WoW? Just stream for them. Cheaters in MW2? Just be an esports level player or stream. They’ll make sure no one bothers you again. Someone stomps you hard in arenas? GM will make sure you’re never bothered by that “stream sniper” again.
I mean…You literally called Mirasol out - then claimed “I didn’t ask for the information - I just said I had never seen it happen.” You make a claim that the devs never did anything back in the day based on what you saw, then complain that the proof given wasn’t enough proof that Blizzard acted on reports?
Then you tried to turn this into a case of Blizzard being too hard on people for chatting, when chat wasn’t even involved in this case. Seriously man, it’s just sad at this point.
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The chat back then was full of abrasive language. So much so that Blizzard used to explain that “if you aren’t using the profanity filter, you can’t get mad at foul language.” I have seen the documentation overturning these reports.
Now lets delve into the “proof”.
The Blue posts are all directed towards the profanity filter not being a “get out of jail free card”, even though I have seen a GM reverse a decision based on the profanity filter. To my recollection it was in Burning Crusade.
None of the Blue posts are proof that Blizzard was banning people for normal conversation. Only that you could receive punishment for foul language if they decided it was necessary. Then I used two examples where there was flagrant disregard for the rules. One being old Barrens Chat, and the other being Eyonix roasting people on the forums. To which Mirasol ignored completely as if these things didn’t happen.
What is sad is, I have given examples of Blizzard showing complete disregard for their own rules, and just recently how even on the forums I posted a live example of the double standard.
There may be someone here that can post an example of them getting banned for a chat offense from back in 2004-2005-2006, but we would still have to put faith in the fact their interaction with Blizzard was authentic. I know I still have my Blizzard folder containing every interaction I have had with Blizzard dating all the way back to January 6th, of 2006. The first day I ever logged into the game.
You know what you won’t find in that folder?
A request to fill out a support ticket to appeal a ban due to a chat infraction.
You know why?
No one used to give a damn what you said in chat. (Based on my own anecdotal experience) <<< I know this one is super important for all you folks.
And then you were shown the exact opposite was true with the Blue proof.
Correct, it was for using profanity, masked profanity, slurs, etc. Just like the Blue posts said.
Barrens chat was not often reported. Blizzard does not sit around monitoring chat. Eyonix - well, she was just a cool green whelpling herself. Sarcasm and snark are not against the rules. I have met a lot of the CMs, but sadly not Eyonix.
Yes, that is important. YOUR experience is obviously not the same as the experience of some others.
Did people fill out a ticket as often as they right click report now? No. It was harder to do. If they did though, a person could, and did, get account penalties. Back then it was a Suspension.
Just like back then the rules against hateful speech were in the TOS, despite you thinking they are some buzz word that was recently added.
People keep giving you evidence that your conclusions about the game as a whole, are not accurate.
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You have three posts, that are actually copy paste of the same post, saying the profanity filter is not a “get out of jail free card.” That is not proof of people getting banned. That is a statement by Blizzard.
To head you off, my statement that I didn’t see people get banned has no burden of proof as you cannot prove a negative statement. I cannot give you evidence of people NOT being punished. Though, I was one of the people who used profanity in World of Warcraft for many years without punishment, so there is that.
It was a post reiterating what the rules already stated. If I was actually being more attentive to your links, I would have picked up on that sooner. Apologies I didn’t notice your proof was nothing more then conjecture.
But even you knew how bad it could get.
Eyonix was a Blizzard employee and a man.
I know how you all like your proof so here you go;
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/706313-Eyonix-leaves-Blizzard
And how many of us are still around? I would assume, with no real way to prove it, not the majority of the players in game by and large.
So far, in this entire thread, no one has shown any evidence of this. Blizzard posting that the profanity filter doesn’t equate to no punishment isn’t proof of punishment. At best, its proof of intent to punish.
Not sure why you keep going back to this. I am not going to argue syntax of language written 10-15 years apart. I am sure you would understand it, but would never conclude the obvious context in how these two things though alike meant different things.
No one has given evidence of actual punishment.
And yet - you were just given proof of the opposite actually being said. I mean if you can show me where Blizzard explained that the profanity filter isn’t enabled you can’t get mad at foul language please post it or of these reports being overturned, please produce them. You won’t, because they don’t exist.
People were banned in Old Barrens Chat - where you are getting this info from that nobody was ever banned in old barrens chat seems made up. And as far as that goes, back then you had to literally petition a GM to report a player, it wasn’t as simple as right click → report. Now you may be right that most people who used profanity in Barrens chat didn’t get banned - but again, unless a GM is sitting there monitoring the chat on that server, or unless someone reports that language, it never got actioned.
But then you would have to completely ignore the whole “Goldshire ERP” crackdown and the bans handed out there.
You mean the old Community Manager that was paid to interact with the community? The person who responded to toxicity with playful banter rather than a ban hammer? The person the majority of the community loved and mourned for when he quit Blizzard? That Eyonix? Come on dude, it’s Blizzard. You have at least 10-20 actual people who were fired for sexual misconduct, a fired CEO, people whose names have been removed from all aspects of the game, and you choose to go after one of the most beloved CM’s this game ever had? It’s literally right there man - but you go after a beloved CM for interacting with the community while not being profane?
Way to ignore the context of the statement made by Blizzard, many times. You are clearly in complete denial that bans were handed out back in the day for chat because you never witnessed it firsthand.
Speaking of desperation:
These aren’t historical documents written in a language undecipherable to anyone not a linguist. I understand 10-15 years is likely 2/3’s of your life, but aside from a few new slang words, we spoke the same English language 10-15 years ago that we do now. We even had cellphones if you believe it!
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I’m gonna guess this is an “mess around and find out” kinda thing, then act surprised about it, Also this is Zuma here folks, just looking at this person’s post is proof enough of how he acts. lol