Be careful when you troll/grief people in game

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I think this thread has run its course and devolved into circular trolling at this point. That’s on top of the OP essentially being one that discusses disciplinary action and which is also simultaneously a call-out.

Additionally there is at least one post toward the (current) end of the thread that violates this portion of the Code of Conduct:

For the OP:

I suggest moving on and not repeating the content of this thread. All respective players needing clarification have been given the appropriate information in previous posts.

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It’s not one unknown guy. What the griefers do is continually kite high level mobs, elites, or enemy guards into popular leveling hubs. They do this for hours on end every day they play.

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People can and will discuss such matters, whether Blizzard deems that it is within the rules or not. You may not like it, but word of mouth is a thing, reputation is a thing; and that is why Blizzard adopted said rules to try and mitigate it.

That being said, if you think some successful Guild Leader who mans a guild of 200ish players gets banned and it turns out to be for the wrong reasons? Especially if the fellow is innocent, I’ll level. There isn’t anything Blizzard can do or say that’s going to stop him from showing screenshots of a suspension or ban to his guild mates and discussing it on Discord, Reddit, Twitter etc. If you think that a small blurb of typed words will silence such people, you are gravely mistaken.

In that scenario Blizzard would be wise to correct those issues, or understand that they run the peril of losing far more than one account, but hundreds and sometimes their ‘alt’ accounts as well. That is a lot of money. If you think such guilds don’t leave the game over such matters? Again you are mistaken. They do. I’ve seen five do it over the years.

Look at the whole CRZ situation from MoP. It’s STILL discussed and pops up from time to time from people when the subject of sharding or empty zones comes up, and it is NEVER in a good light. Bad press is bad press. That in spite of Blizzard’s repeated efforts to kill dialogue on it.

The fact is, this happens all the time when bad or truly obtuse moderation decisions are made. Please also note I am not saying this was such a scenario. It was not. The fact however is that people can and will sometimes engage in illogical or prohibited actions, especially when or if they feel they were wronged; or they believe they are in the right.

The question we really should broach, given this thread’s length is whether Blizzard wants that Discussion in a place they can officially observe and add in corrections to inaccuracies, or whether they want to drive it to places they have no control to moderate; and let people’s worst fears be assuaged. Personally I’d choose the former were I them.

I think the only thing that is non productive atm is posting the rules in a effort to kill the thread / silence any and all dialogue with a scare tactics. Report it to a moderator and let them close it, or just don’t read the thread. That’s what I tend to do when it deals with scenarios like this.

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People are writing novels in this thread when it all pretty much boils down to:

2004: Don’t be a tool in chat, or you could get in trouble if people report you.
2023: see entry for 2004 above.

Nothing has changed about that rule.

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If having such topics is against the rules for the forums, then why discuss about such topics within the forums when people know the outcomes of such topics?

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Nah, this was more of a “You know those people who were griefining a bunch of HC players and not getting banned? They got banned!” Not really a call out. More of a cautionary tale for those who want to continue griefing just for “fun”. How it turned into a debate about whether cursing in game was a punishable offense is probably due to a lack of a specific call out or discussion about the actual behavior the OP was hinting at where no chat interaction took place.

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Do I think being a jerk to someone or swearing should always merit a punishment? Not personally, no. Usually putting someone on ignore works. If they are pervasive, circumventing the barriers, or going way out of line, aka hate speech, slurs, threats, malicious stuff, they need a clap. That being said, I said ‘I think.’ What I think, or what I want, doesn’t go when I am in someone elses domain and having agreed before hand.
It’s very up to blizzard and the GM, what they feel like and what they think is best at that time, which is of course open to manipulation.

We have had these same rules, since 04. That much is true, but the enforcement and community and abilities to enforce it have changed. It is certainly possible some people are being punished, perhaps unfairly so in comparison to a previous era.

What I am saying, is the rules haven’t changed, but the ability to enforce them, the community, and the bad eggs ready to abuse it, certainly has. Has bad people been banned or slapped, yes. And thats good. But has decent people been taken out of context unfairly, or false flagged by bad people? It’s fair to say so as well.

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Is that not the million dollar riddle we’ve grappled with through out all of time though? Why do humans do anything, especially when they already know the preordained outcome of it?

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Surely they must be using Chat GPT to write such essays. I want to join in:

Cursing in video games is a topic that can be debated from different perspectives. Some people may argue that it is okay because it is a way to express oneself and it adds to the realism of the game. Others may argue that it is not okay because it can be offensive or inappropriate, especially if there are children or other sensitive individuals present.

Ultimately, it depends on the context and the audience. If the game is intended for mature audiences, then cursing may be acceptable as long as it is not used excessively or directed towards specific individuals in a hateful or discriminatory manner. However, if the game is intended for a broader audience, then developers should be mindful of the language used in the game and strive to make it appropriate for all ages.

It is also worth noting that some online gaming communities have their own standards of acceptable behavior and language, which may vary from game to game. Players should be respectful of these communities and adhere to their rules to ensure a positive and enjoyable experience for all players involved.

In addition to the points mentioned earlier, it is important to consider the cultural and social norms of the region where the game is being played. What may be considered acceptable language in one country may be offensive or inappropriate in another. Game developers should take into account the cultural differences and try to make the game as inclusive and respectful as possible.

Another aspect to consider is the impact that cursing in video games can have on younger players. While it may be acceptable for mature audiences, children who are exposed to excessive cursing may become desensitized to it and may begin to use similar language in real life situations. Parents and guardians should be mindful of the games their children are playing and supervise their online activity to ensure they are not being exposed to inappropriate content.

It is also worth noting that some games may have a profanity filter option that allows players to turn off or reduce the amount of cursing in the game. This can be a useful feature for players who are sensitive to such language or who want to ensure a more family-friendly experience.

Overall, the acceptability of cursing in video games is a complex issue that depends on various factors such as the intended audience, cultural and social norms, and the impact on younger players. Game developers should strive to create games that are inclusive and respectful of all players while also providing a realistic and engaging experience. Players should also be mindful of their language and behavior in online communities and strive to create a positive and enjoyable gaming environment for everyone.

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:unamused::triumph: Shoo!

Why are you still here?
The grievances and griping about times changing has happened forever - you can choose the break the cycle and get with the times.

People saying “weak minded” in here…are y’all like this irl??? Like this is the kinda stuff that gets reported to HR.:sweat_smile:

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I have heard accounts get perma banned for forum violations too. 3 and your permabanned or something.

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In the absence of evidence that people on my server (BB) have been incorrectly banned for kiting high level, elite mobs, or guards into popular leveling zones for hours on end, I’m going to guess you don’t understand what is happening in Era.

I knew of a person who behaved insanely that happened to some years back. When the forums changed to the modern format, the forum ban was lifted. Within weeks they had gotten themselves banned again. Some people never change.

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Fighting for whats right maybe?
Or I just dont have anything better to do.

You decide.

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Imma pick the latter.:sweat_smile:
Tis the general reason we’re all here.
And theeee version of what’s right on my end…isn’t exclusionary. Shouldn’t be. Just against folks who are.
Doesn’t seem like it should be a sticking point.

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Asmongold literally owns WoW, no other content creator even exists compared to him, this guy singlehandedly carries the wow subsection and honestly twitch itself - and this isn’t some fanboying that’s just the truth.

He is the face of WoW and blizzard will bend over backwards to help him any way he could possibly ask for.

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So you believe without the attention that those streamers brought to it, the griefers would still have been banned? Cause I distinctly remember them not doing a single thing for a looooooong time when they were killing quest givers in the crossroads, in pve realms.

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I am not sure where you heard that. Forum violations don’t impact your ability to play Blizzard games. Normally you can be perma banned from the forums and still play your games. There could be an exception if someone did something so bad Blizzard wanted the whole Bnet account perma closed! I don’t even want to speculate on what that might take.

Forum violations CAN result in a perma forum ban, but there is no specific count. It depends on the nature of the infraction, the number of infractions, and the time between infractions. The forum mods don’t usually perma ban from the forums until it really stacks up. UNLESS, someone does something pretty ugly. I saw that happen the other night but the person was fishing hardcore for a ban and crossed into real life threats.

Generally speaking they tend to feel that killing quest NPCs and flight masters is not against the rules. ANNOYING as heck, but not against the rules. I remember them eventually suspending some folks who used terrain exploits to make themselves unkillable. Otherwise, if there is a PvP problem, then there is a PvP solution. If it goes on long enough that the consider it zone disruption impacting a large playerbase, they sometimes they step in. Killing NPCs in the lowbie towns is a common sport they don’t generally have an issue with though.

Here is the support article on it:

Common Problems

- A player is camping me
- Keep being ganked and can’t play the game at all
- A player of the opposite faction is killing NPCs

:point_right: The Game Master staff will not intervene in Player versus Player (PvP) disputes.

World of Warcraft

If you do not wish to engage in open world PvP combat in World of Warcraft, disable War Mode.

WoW Classic and Wrath of the Lich King Classic

If you do not wish to engage in regular PvP combat, you must create your character on a Player versus Environment (PvE) realm. On a PvE realm, you can freely choose when you want to engage in open world PvP combat by enabling or disabling your PvP flag.

If you chose to create your character on a PvP realm, Game Masters will not address situations where you are repeatedly killed by the opposite faction. This includes situations that may be considered dishonorable such as corpse camping or killing players well below your level.

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I’m a bit torn on this. I kinda miss the Wild Wild West side of the internet that thrived on this kind of drama in the early/mid 2000s.

On the other hand people having no purpose in life besides being nuisances getting smacked feels deserved.

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That is interesting I have been repeatedly told you get 3 strikes on forums or in game then ban and for some of the harassment stuff seen that goes to law enforcement.