Huge hits to the Mac WoW community, and we aren't even affected by the DX11/DX12 debate. Why remove true Fullscreen for us? We're already at a framerate deficit.
Legion was quite playable on my son's 2017 Macbook Pro with the Radeon 560 GPU, averaging ~60-70 FPS. Under BfA Windowed "fullscreen" he's getting less than 40.
My NVidia 1070 framerates dropped from 100+ in Dalaran to 50-60 at most.
However, even worse is that you can't specify that WoW be played at a different resolution than your desktop is. With a hi-res gaming monitor, a 2560x1440 desktop makes menus too small to read (and no, for once Apple doesn't have a way to fix that natively). Used to have WoW change the resolution automatically on launch... now must do manually (or buy a third-party utility to do that for me) otherwise the scaling drops my FPS to under 30.
I used to get better performance 10 years ago.
Oh, completely forgot about system messages and other things popping up over the game window and slowing everything to a crawl for a minute...
[GryphonMD]
#BattleforFullscreen
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07/25/2018 02:10 PMPosted by Kolkol07/25/2018 02:09 PMPosted by LooneylunaPlay in borderless windowed. same thing
Great. another clueless guy.
People that are blatantly wrong, yet insist they're right.
Running theme of any forum.
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I like how people are saying they lose p[performance. I haven't lost a single frame of performance.
07/25/2018 02:26 PMPosted by BëlldÀndyI like how people are saying they lose p[performance. I haven't lost a single frame of performance.
Ya, if i don't have issues.. that means the entire world should be like me! unless they are playing on a potato yaaaaa?
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07/25/2018 02:23 PMPosted by Kagh07/25/2018 02:10 PMPosted by Kolkol...
Great. another clueless guy.
People that are blatantly wrong, yet insist they're right.
Running theme of any forum.
Maybe people don't take you seriously because all you do is insult people lul.
Maybe trying actually explaining things to people instead of just pretending you're this higher knowledge who knows everything about everything. Maybe then people will take you seriously
07/25/2018 02:32 PMPosted by LooneylunaMaybe people don't take you seriously because all you do is insult people lul.
[citation needed]
07/25/2018 02:32 PMPosted by LooneylunaMaybe trying
Hmm..
07/25/2018 02:32 PMPosted by Looneylunaexplaining things to people instead of just pretending you're this higher knowledge who knows everything about everything.
You're on the internet. You have the collective knowledge of mankind at your fingertips. Do your own research.
5 seconds on Google: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2850630/fullscreen-borderless-windowed.html
Fullscreen and borderless windowed are not "the same thing". Performance can vary wildly between the two depending on the application and your system.
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Agreed and signed.
Please add true full screen back... this is absolutely crazy.
My performance shot down about 30% because of it. And i can confirm its because of not having true full screen because i have messed with these settings about 2 months ago and i play on a 3k rig...
When i was messing around between the fullscreen windowed and true fullscreen mode there was a HUGE performance hit.....
Please add true full screen back... this is absolutely crazy.
My performance shot down about 30% because of it. And i can confirm its because of not having true full screen because i have messed with these settings about 2 months ago and i play on a 3k rig...
When i was messing around between the fullscreen windowed and true fullscreen mode there was a HUGE performance hit.....
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Agreed. We can't let up on this issue. Blizz, please say something. I am going to have to quit your game if this is not fixed.
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+1, Borderless fullscreen is free input lag, i don't want that.
Bring back fullscreen.
Bring back fullscreen.
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I'm a Brazilian player, please come back to FullScreen mode. It is horrible to play in this window mode and no option to go back as it was before.
If you look at the Brazilian WOW forum you have many complaints about it. Nobody liked it.
Please come back with the option of FullScreen
If you look at the Brazilian WOW forum you have many complaints about it. Nobody liked it.
Please come back with the option of FullScreen
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When the changes first hit the beta servers the gladiator chat was full on in flame mod upset over what had been done. PVP players dont generally like having input lag thrust on them.07/25/2018 04:10 PMPosted by DvanorI'm a Brazilian player, please come back to FullScreen mode. It is horrible to play in this window mode and no option to go back as it was before.
If you look at the Brazilian WOW forum you have many complaints about it. Nobody liked it.
Please come back with the option of FullScreen
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07/25/2018 04:23 PMPosted by TresskaPVP players dont generally like having input lag thrust on them.
Mythic raiders don't either. >.<
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07/25/2018 12:38 PMPosted by NhravaYou got fullscreen removed and are playing at half frame rate some so some rich guy with a $2000 computer and 3 monitors can tab on multiple screens. Blizzard's priorities.
Hi that's me. I'm not rich, a $2000 computer lasts many many years.
We already played in Windowed Fullscreen because Fullscreen makes moving to another monitor crappy.
This is entirely Blizzard pushing forward a shoddy implementation of DX12.
That said, there's gotta be something else going on too, people shouldn't be reporting HALF their usual FPS just by going from fullscreen to windowed fullscreen. People are attributing all of their problems to this change when there's just no way that's the case.
It depends. If like me it actually disables features and hardware then it makes perfect sense. Fortunately Nvidia (and I would hope AMD) are working on ways to make the game run as it should. Its very telling that they are having to make special drivers just to make the game play nice with pretty standard features like G-sync and adaptive V-sync07/25/2018 04:31 PMPosted by Vaenaru07/25/2018 12:38 PMPosted by NhravaYou got fullscreen removed and are playing at half frame rate some so some rich guy with a $2000 computer and 3 monitors can tab on multiple screens. Blizzard's priorities.
Hi that's me. I'm not rich, a $2000 computer lasts many many years.
We already played in Windowed Fullscreen because Fullscreen makes moving to another monitor crappy.
This is entirely Blizzard pushing forward a shoddy implementation of DX12.
That said, there's gotta be something else going on too, people shouldn't be reporting HALF their usual FPS just by going from fullscreen to windowed fullscreen. People are attributing all of their problems to this change when there's just no way that's the case.
Never did many people complain about true fullscreen since they had the option for windowed/windowed fullscreen so why should we have to suffer now?
#BattleforFullscreen
#BattleforFullscreen
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07/25/2018 04:10 PMPosted by Dvanor
If you look at the Brazilian WOW forum you have many complaints about it. Nobody liked it.
Please come back with the option of FullScreen
Dvanor, if you have the spare time, spread the #BattleforFullscreen message to the Brazilian servers. If this unified message is focused across EU, US, and BR playerbases, hopefully it'll garner attention from Blizz and we can either get a confirmation they'll fix it, or an explanation as to why they can't/won't.
For those fighting the good fight (#BattleforFullscreen) and sharing our frustration - thank you for taking the time to post in these threads!
Hopefully an official word (good or bad) will be passed.
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On my old PC which I replaced somewhat recently FPS would drop to nearly half in Windowed mode. That was pre-patch some time ago. It drastically increases the CPU load and many older machines just can't take it.07/25/2018 04:31 PMPosted by Vaenaru07/25/2018 12:38 PMPosted by NhravaYou got fullscreen removed and are playing at half frame rate some so some rich guy with a $2000 computer and 3 monitors can tab on multiple screens. Blizzard's priorities.
Hi that's me. I'm not rich, a $2000 computer lasts many many years.
We already played in Windowed Fullscreen because Fullscreen makes moving to another monitor crappy.
This is entirely Blizzard pushing forward a shoddy implementation of DX12.
That said, there's gotta be something else going on too, people shouldn't be reporting HALF their usual FPS just by going from fullscreen to windowed fullscreen. People are attributing all of their problems to this change when there's just no way that's the case.
07/25/2018 08:12 AMPosted by DeffiasIf the loss of exclusive fullscreen (EFS) was detrimental to your WoW experience, I suggest you join our brothers and sisters from across the Atlantic to create a unified voice against this change.
Link for reference:
https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17620462306?page=7
TL;DR the link: Pleas advocating for the return of EFS are being heard on the EU boards, Telemacharas (Blizz Customer Service) is attempting to highlight this issue to the Dev Team. A unified, professional front is probably the best way to voice players' concerns over this issue. Rallying under the banner of #BattleforFullscreen, is (imo) the best vehicle to deliver a quantifiable message of the detrimental impact to the player base.
How many have been effected (... Affected?)? That number, I think, is the metric that would matter most to Blizz's Dev Team. If significant enough, it seems reasonable to assume it would start the process for rectifying this issue.
If you'd like to see EFS return to the game (or some other technical fix), then join the battle.... For fullscreen.
#BattleforFullscreen
EDIT: Adding Tresska's post about this issue for reference, and to further show the depth of this issue's impact. Tresska created that post prior to the change going live:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20765497266
OMG! I am beside myself right now. I seriously thought that devs caring was one of those stories that you here from a friend of a friend of a friend!
If that had been posted over here I would not have whine.... errrr constructively complained so much.
Maybe I missed the post from our own Dev. telling us that he was listening and agreed.
P.S. - Thanks for sharing this Deffias!
07/25/2018 04:37 PMPosted by DeffiasDvanor, if you have the spare time, spread the #BattleforFullscreen message to the Brazilian servers. If this unified message is focused across EU, US, and BR playerbases, hopefully it'll garner attention from Blizz and we can either get a confirmation they'll fix it, or an explanation as to why they can't/won't.
Already did, he probably came in here due to my post.
07/25/2018 04:37 PMPosted by Deffias07/25/2018 04:10 PMPosted by Dvanor
If you look at the Brazilian WOW forum you have many complaints about it. Nobody liked it.
Please come back with the option of FullScreen
Dvanor, if you have the spare time, spread the #BattleforFullscreen message to the Brazilian servers. If this unified message is focused across EU, US, and BR playerbases, hopefully it'll garner attention from Blizz and we can either get a confirmation they'll fix it, or an explanation as to why they can't/won't.
For those fighting the good fight (#BattleforFullscreen) and sharing our frustration - thank you for taking the time to post in these threads!
Hopefully an official word (good or bad) will be passed.
Of course! Bro
In the Brazilian forum there were several topics about this.
Let's spread it further.
Twitter users post too.
#BattleforFullScreen
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