its the equivalent of using steroids in a competitive sport. sure you can but you dont because its against the rules and the spirit of competition.
using steroids (and chickens) directly invalidates your accomplishments because the competition cant and isnt using them.
that out of the way, abusing an item that dismisses your pet from harms way and resummons it at full health to avoid having to get good at the one mechanic blizz intended for your class is defiitely an exploit.
If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound? Similarly, if you do more dps with chickens, but nobody can see it, do you actually do more dps? And if so, does it really matter?
Your argument might have some validity if the primary goal was to simply kill the bosses. That was the goal, and still is for some guilds. But for guilds that already have all the bosses on farm, the goal shifts to something entirely different. Parses and clear speeds. And without Warcraft Logs, that second stage minigame is simply not possible.
And maybe none of that matters to you. Fine. But this is a team game. And if others on your team enjoy measuring themselves and their guild against others on Warcraft Logs, which is the case in most guilds, you would be selfishly screwing them out of their fun by using a chicken and invalidating everyoneâs logs. Justified grounds for a /gkick in most guilds.
So your idealistic argument doesnât have much relevance in the real world.
The simple fix here, is that if they behave like a pet, that you have to dismiss your pet in order to summon your tonk.
The Steam Tonk controller was never intended for the purpose that itâs being used for in a general sense, which is parsing - itâs not required to kill bosses in TBC raids.
The same exact thing can be said for chickens, which is why comparing them together is legitimate.
Both items were created in vanilla, one was for increasing PVE DPS, the other wasnât. Which one is more out of line from a game mechanics and log parse culture perspective?
Probably. I donât think the original developers intended that they be used in that way. But I think their effect on the game is probably pretty minor, so I donât think itâs a big deal, and Iâm not going to lose any sleep over it. If it was increasing hunter dps by 25%, Iâd feel differently.
We donât know what Blizzard was planning. Based upon their comments, I think they were probably planning on fixing chickens in some way.
But then it seems that they stumbled upon the current fix while they were fixing something else, and they probably said, hey, that works, and itâs accurate to 2.1, so letâs roll with that. And I bet they knew that WL was going to ban them once they became so random, and Iâm sure they were happy to shift the âblameâ to someone else.
Maybe you arenât familiar with how chickens were used/activated if this is your perspective, or maybe youâre intentionally being misleading. Iâm not sure which.
Your suggestion that chickens werenât nerfed is incorrect.
There was a fix put in, which resulted in them being nerfed.
Youâre using semantics to try and belittle the concern of the players, and refusing to acknowledge the reason behind their use with the #nochanges justification.
Blizzard has already explicitly stated that they are not following #nochanges, so in the spirit of what the fix was that broke chickenâs role in PVE DPS, the same should be done for other vanilla items (like MQG) that donât belong as a part of the PVE experience in TBCC.
Itâs really simple, and I wouldnât be surprised if they did actually break tonk because of the implication for âfixingâ chicken.
They didnât ânerfâ chickens they fixed how they were broken.
Chickens weâre not acting how they were supposed to act in the last version of TBC, they didnât make special changes for them or break them by patching something new, they literally just made chickens act how they were supposed to act.
Breaking tonks would be a direct nerf and actually change how they acted in tbc.
They directly nerfed another classic item, MQG - and even commented about why they werenât going to âbreakâ chickens to restore their power. Why are you dissembling on the point regarding what Blizzards intentions are in regards to this?
The use of vanilla items to trivialize mechanics or improve kill times in TBCC raids/pvp are against the developers intent for the release and ongoing maintenance of this game.
Please explain why Tonk doesnât fall under that condition, that Blizzard has already declared their intent on.
Yes mqg was nerfed in pvp only, why do you think that was???
None of you seem to understand why tonks are being used.
I used a total of 4 call pet in BT this weekâs and I believe 1-2 of them are used to avoid pet piling when skipping trash.
I canât tell how many tonks weâre used but call pet is used when a tonk is used so itâs safe to say I used up to 4 since I used âcall petâ 4 times but like I said some of it was used to call pet back out after skipping trash but letâs say I used 4 tonks.
Tonks arenât being used to âignoreâ mechanics, tonking itâs a DPS LOSS, it takes 2 gcdâs to tonk a pet and call it.
Pet passive takes 0 GCDs so if I tonk itâs because my pet is going to be 1 shot or the path back to me is blocked by mechanics.
For example council say the tank has the boss in consecrate and my pet is standing inside it, Iâd normally just pet passive him back to me while I kept shooting but I see theres a blizzard or flamestrike between me and the pet meaning my pet will literally die because Iâm bringing him out of the consecrate to come back to me.
This is actually why tonks are being used, hunters atleast good hunters arenât in there spamming 150 tonks a raidâŚthey are literally a DPS loss.
You want something fixed you should be asking for blizzard to fix interactions like that and fix mechanics towards pet like they do later.
You arenât for good changes tho, just petty changes.
Has anyone been banned for using steam tonks? Anyone? Has Blizzard said anything about steam tonks at all? No? Then calling it an exploit is flat out wrong. Exploiting is cheating, and cheating is a bannable offense. Stop calling things something they arenât. YOU donât get to make the rules.
And enough with the âgit gudâ BS. You obviously have no idea how pets OR steam tonks work. Using tonks is a dps loss. A DPS LOSS. The only reason hunters use it at all is due to crappy pet AI and pathing.
But since youâre obviously the champion of keeping everything fair and on a level playing field, feel free to head on over to the bug report forums and nag Blizzard about the Lurker bug, or the bug that causes pets to spawn with low health when you dismount, or the dozens of other hunter bugs. Your input is greatly appreciated.