Bastion is not heaven

I’ve just speedread it again and then went over it again looking for keywords and found nothing.

Eeehhh, it’s playing with it. The Titans have been futzing with Light before. Odyn, Tyr, Eyir, in addition to the other instances you already mentioned.

And the Kyrian covenant abilities that deal damage do deal Arcane damage- until you get to Paladin and Priest, where it instead boosts their Holy spells. And the fact that many of the covenant have abilities like “Radiant Spark”, “Shackle the Unworthy”, “Purity’s Veil”, “Souring Tithe”, are obvious using Light based language. Is it 100% Light? No. But to call it “the Arcane covenant” feels disingenuous.

And I wouldn’t call the Light a thing that’s becoming more Egyptian and less Angelic when its spokespeople: Paladins and Priests, literally grow angelic wings. Rather, I think the Titans -which have been largely inspired by Greco-Roman, Egyptian, and Norse pantheons- are taking on more and more of the Judeo-Christian elements of the Light as well. They’re basically a catch all for the most influential European religions- with Druids/Harvest Withces/Drust/etc picking up a lot of the “pagan” elements.

All that considered, I guess Bastion is less the Light/Arcane in its entirety and is really more of “The generic western fantasy depiction of what a nondenominational afterlife looks like.” Which makes if understandable why it’s chosen as the first place we go to in the Shadowlands before we get introduced to the “weird stuff”.

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That doesn’t make a lick of sense. Frostmourne consumes the souls of whoever it kills. Blizzard forgets its own lore all the gotdamn time.

Maybe the consumption isn’t immediate? Or Arthas deliberately stopped the blade from consuming the soul since he had other plans for her?

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Sylvanas Windrunner drifts in a sea of comfort, physical sensations replaced by the purity of emotion. She can grasp bliss, see joy, hear peace. This is the afterlife, her destiny. The eternal sea in which she found herself after she fell defending Silvermoon. She belongs here. With each recollection, her memory of this place palls. The sound grows distant; the warmth, cooler. The vision takes on the pallor of a half-remembered dream. But with horrific clarity, the memory always ends the same: Sylvanas’s spirit is wrenched away. The pain is so intense it leaves her soul forever torn. The grinning face of Arthas Menethil, with his lopsided smile and dead eyes, leers at her as he pulls her back into the world. Violates her. His laughter—that hollow laugh—the memory of it makes her skin crawl!

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I heard it’s from Arthas Rise of the Lich King, but to be honest it’s one of those things I just heard and never checked.

Shadowlands seems incredibly dumb but I can’t judge it until Blizzard makes a Lightlands and Lifelands for me to really judge.

I mean if aspects of Life and Light will show up in Shadowlands like Uther and Wildgods then does that mean in Life and Light lands there are aspects of the other cosmic forces as well?

It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Shadowlands seems to be destroying all the mystic of the afterlife and all the other cosmic forces put together.

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Why do you even play this game?

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Why do any of us?

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Ideally, because we enjoy it at least to some degree. The aforementioned poster clearly doesn’t, and clearly just complains here. She should save her $15 or however much it is in freedom bux and save herself the trouble.

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its only through suffering that we can enjoy things in life.
And you can’t put a price on that nugget of wisdom.

Yeah, but you have no relevant input, and complain about stupid things.

If you want self flagellation, go to general.

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Horde favouritism and their evil nature?
Well now I know you are joking.

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You can still post on the forums without being subbed you know?

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My guess is that Lifelands would have to be the Emerald Dream. Chronicle set the Dream and the Shadowlands up as equal opposites of Life and Death, in a fairly obvious copy of what D&D did with the Feywild and Shadowfell.

Though, now, the Shadowlands are being expanded, and only a single realm, Ardenweald, is a reflection of the Dream. Unless the Dream has multiple realms as well (like somewhere for Rukhmar, Anzu, and Sethe to have gone to).

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It’s not quite the same thing but the WotA novels established that the Dream has different layers. Some are closer to reality and you’re basically just a ghost looking at the physical world, like when Malfurion spied on Xavius. Others are more sandbox while the Keepers were still trying to figure out what they wanted Azeroth’s blueprint to be, so mountains are half-formed and stuff.

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I have to disagree on this, if anyplace in Shadow lands draws any parallels to the Nordic Valhallas and Hel it’s Maldraxxus (where the undead fight all day) and the halls of Valor, forgetting that Helheim is an actual place in WoW and so is Valhalla. one parallel to “Heaven” and the new earth is that the old world is forgotten, and those in Bastion are those who enjoyed serving others in life. You may not like it, but Bastion is definitely meant to be a Heaven analogy with a bit of the Greek Hades thrown in (makes sense, Greek imagery had much involvement in Biblical writings). The place where dark Kyrians spread eternal despair are basically the fields of Asphodel from Hades for instance, an eternally expansive field in the Greek underworld where souls wander bored for an eternity where nothing happens, only replace boredom with hate, despair, and agony.

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I mean…that’s just your opinion, man.

It’s not like there’s anything to compare it to.

It’s the very first thing in the short story, the italicized text right at the top of the first page.

Yeah well duh if they where all fine there would be no reason to fix the shadowlands