It doesnt look like heaven it doesn’t its not a place for people who are good its not a place for people who are bad. You know what it looks like Valhalla, you know the viking place for the best warriors to train for the battle that will come in ragnarok. And if we look to bastion, its a training ground for Ferrymen, not heaven at all, heaven is a paradise not a training ground.
Is it what blizzard claims? Sure.
But lets be real here: we all know that blizzard loves their “light = good” and “dark = bad” tropes, no matter how many times blizzard says otherwise.
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then why is the light not good, did you ever listen to those audio dramas from legion, the light is defs not good, and they only renforced that
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Theres so many more examples of people doing evil with dark magic.
What I am saying here is that blizzard is so predictable with what they do with magic. So yes, blizzard may not compare it to heaven or even claim it is similar to heaven, but based om what they say vs what they do, I cant help but feel skeptical.
This is from the same clowns that said Horde is M O R A L L Y G R A Y but then sendss us the almighty gift we so much deserve that is Teldrassil burning.
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yeah cause sylvanas isnt grey
either way, you know that all the places are gonna be “Good.” Right? They are all siding with the PC
Just because they’re siding with us doesn’t mean they’re good. In the cases of the Necrolords and the Venthyr, both groups that sound pretty morally ambiguous, it could be that they’re just desperate to get the anima flowing again.
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You need all of them to fix death, I dont think its a good thing to keep death broken, if sylvanas went to hell, and broke it and the story was that if hell isnt fixed than the whole world is doom, the good guys are the demons helping you.
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So if it’s not heaven why are all the dead people forced to go there and serve in slavery for eternity? Sounds like a pretty sucky afterlife, especially if you believed in something better.
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Bastion is the training ground for the kyrain who are the ferrymen of the shadowlands, there job is to take souls and bring them to one of the many planes of the shadowlands, wherever the arbiter says they belong.
the arbiter only picks the most dutiful souls to go to bastion in fact, she is so good at her job that blizzard said its ultra rare for a kyrian to fall as a forsworn
If souls arent ferried to the right place the shadowlands ceases to function like normal, leading to the issues we see now, with the treat of the universe falling apart.
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Perhaps but this still doesn’t make any of them essentially good. It just means they want to survive and get back to their status quo of being undead warlords and soul sucking vampires.
Thats not there jobs, the undead “Warlords.” Protect the shadowlands, and the vampire dont suck souls, they purge souls of pride so they may go to another part of the shadowlands, both very important roles of the machine of death.
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Nah, we already got a Valhalla in Legion. That’s the origin of that Lore.
What Bastion is more than likely meant to resemble is Folkvangr, where Freya rules.
I made a thread about possible real-world myth origins of the Shadowlands places a while back everybody ignored lol
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I think it’s a bit silly how more people have issue with the duty-bound Kyrians than they do with places like Maldraxxus or Revendreth where if you’re not strong enough, you’re basically going to become food.
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Revendreth is bascially hell, while the Maw is, uh, Hellier than it.
Although I guess Revendreth isn’t permanent, like the other afterlives are, Unless I’m reading it wrong, souls sent to Revendreth do get to move on eventually, so it’s not like those who get sent there are there forever.
Maldraxxus seems straight up brutal tho. At ‘least’ you leave Revendreth, you don’t seem to get to leave Maldraxxus.
Seems pretty fitting if you ask me, warmongers who don’t make it there eventually end up as cannon fodder themselves. Very ironic!
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Nah it aint Valhalla.
I know because I was stuck in Warrior heaven for all of Legion. It sucked.
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Unless they are invading Bastion… or repelling some other threat. Will be interesting to see how that works, since they are the ‘military might’ of the Shadowlands they can’t be entirely bound to Maldraxxus. Maybe you can take eternity to ‘repel a threat’ by reclining on a beach in some vacation realm.
Sorry, I meant they can’t leave the Necrolords, not the physical location of Maldraxxus, like how souls eventually leave the Venthyr. Though they might be able to escape it, they don’t get released.
I don’t think any Covenant is bound to the plane they rule. Except maybe the Maw one, if that’s a Covenant at all.
Devs have compared it to heaven in interviews.
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Bastion has to fight against decades of tropes- especially tropes in the fantasy genre, where Light wielding god-like beings, winged angels, gold rolling hills, pretty cities, etc are fantasy coding for pure unquestioned goodness. Especially when contrasted against stuff like Maldraxas, Revendrath, and the Maw.
It can been more subtle/nuanced about the Light not necessarily being the best thing ever, and risk people not noticing or writing it off as the exception that proves the rule. Or be more blatant/general about it, and risk being called out as a retcon or inconsistency. Or just being edgy.
Maybe instead of saying, “The Light is not always necessarily good” we can get the same thing across with “The Light is not always necessarily nice.”
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