You just ignore any point that doesn’t fit your narrative. I can’t show you where because you aren’t acknowledging them unless you want me to reply with an empty quote? But yeah keep ignoring that gdkps are boosting the RMT market MASSIVELY.
Name one point that I am ignoring?
Name one point that you’ve made that in any way contradicts anything that I’ve stated.
I have not stated anything to the contrary. Have you even read my posts? What exactly is your point, and why are you replying to me?
The benefits being you getting your cut of botted gold and pretending like you’re not actively participating in RMT. Why would players that don’t need gear bother if it weren’t for greed and personal gain? To “help” other players? Get real dude, they’re participating so they can justify buying gold without actually doing it. You’re just gaslighting yourself into believing you’re not apart of the problem.
Show me any GDKP that doesn’t have min bids, gold checks, etc. they don’t exist. Their sole purpose is for gold buyers and the reason they were created.
If it’s static than for what other reason would gold buyers feel the need to buy that much gold? That’s right. GDKPs. Sure man, just farm gold and take advantage of the inflation! Compete with those flyhacking bots camping nodes underneath the floor that do it to fund RMTers that do GDKPs.
Look, just because you have “fun” being rewarded with botted gold, doesn’t mean it’s not toxic for the game. Just because you’re blissfully ignorant whilst you trade that 200k pot amongst the raid, doesn’t mean the problem doesn’t exist. As I’ve said, GDKPs are a catalyst for RMT and botting. If you are doing GDKPs, you are apart of the problem. Spin it however you like, GDKPs will never be banned, if they were, you’ll find a way to weasel around it regardless. Stop coping and pretending it’s not a problem.
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You keep just posting essays about how good they are for the community and that you think RMT will still be a thing if gdkp wasn’t. Which is blaringly obvious to everyone, noone is saying Botting and RMT will magically disappear overnight, what we are saying is that they MASSIVELY prop up the RMT practices in classic wow, which you ignore in every post. You won’t even acknowledge that they are by far the biggest reason gold sells in such astronomical amounts because noone needs anywhere near the amount of gold they use if gdkp isn’t a thing. There is 0 reason to have 10k gold in vanilla if you don’t have gdkp. If gdkp are a thing you can spend that 10k in a week. But keep pretending that RMT wouldn’t be impacted by gdkp being removed. The weekly splits must mean that much to you.
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Lotta cope in this thread, mountains of salt about a loot system. Endless kvetching. It won’t help. It’s a loot system, it’s not going to be banned. Sorry. You can cope with it or be buried mad. GDKP will be there day 1 of SoD, see ya there.
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This is an interesting perspective. While I think you could rephrase your opinion in a much less hostile manner, I’m happy that you’ve at least shared your thoughts.
I’d first point out that I don’t think that all gold is botted. There are many gold farms that have existed, and if you remember playing early Classic Era in 2019, gold farming guides seemed quite popular. This isn’t an attempt to say that I don’t think RMT exists nor that I don’t think people buy gold for the sole purpose of using it for items in GDKPs. To be clear, I think this happens (note though, I have not stated anything to the contrary at all in this thread).
I don’t agree with this. None of it frankly. There are many GDKPs that don’t have gold checks (while a lot of min. bids, and rules posted in discord or a raid chat macro, some do not), and while you’re free to make any claim you’d like, the claim that all GDKPs’ “sole” purpose is for gold buyers and the reason they were created is unsubstantiated.
It isn’t a question as to whether the prices of some things are static (static prices just means fixed, as in they don’t change regardless of the value of gold). Talents, Mounts, Riding Skills, any vendor items are all static. Whether someone buys some gold, or a lot of gold, that’s RMT either way. I’m not sure what “that much gold” means in this context, or what point you are trying to make or clarify here, if any.
Right. Another way to state this is, “play the game.” Is it more fun or less fun to play on a highly populated server? Personally, I have more fun playing on higher pop servers where I can sell items/mats as I level and easily afford new skills/riding, etc. than on dead servers where I cannot do those things. Of course, I also enjoy playing with others, but I consider inflated economies and thus easier access to gold, talents, riding skills, etc. to be a benefit, personally.
And just because you call all gold “botted gold” doesn’t mean it is, nor that it is indeed toxic for the game.
But this isn’t a mutually exclusive thing! It may well be toxic for the game! However, note what I’ve stated – like actually read what I’ve posted, and feel free to ask for clarification if you don’t understand something…
So what? So what if people RMT and there are bots? Removing GDKPs isn’t going to stop that. And even if you could completely remove RMT and Bots, GDKP would still be an excellent loot distribution system.
You seem to think that GDKP and Botting/RMT are the same thing.
RMT has literally always been a thing in WoW. In fact RMT is so popular that tokens in Wrath Classic are only 5K gold. That’s because so many people are spending $20 to buy tokens to trade for gold that the cost is that low!
Look, I’m not saying RMT and Botting are wonderful. If there was a way to remove them completely without affecting legitimate gameplay, I’d be all for that, but removing legitimate gameplay won’t (and historically hasn’t) impacted botting nor RMT in the long-term. At best, it’s had a short-term impact on bots/RMT and a long-term negative impact on legitimate play.
I don’t think that the trade-offs of removing GDKP from the game are worthwhile. And that isn’t even addressing the question of how the heck you’d go about trying to regulate such a rule anyway!
People like to buy gold and buy gear with that gold. That’s what GDKPs are all about.
Just accept it.
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I dont care about GDKPs, I would just say be stricter on the RMT. Cap how much gold a lower level can trade/send so patterns can be more easily identified with multiple char creation, mailing patterns. Since they are making an OCE server (and one would hope a Brazil server) maybe region lock the servers. You can certainly VPN but the latency may be a tell.
GDKPs are fine without the gold inflation caused by the gold selling industry.
Once again, another essay pretending that gdkps aren’t contributing massively to RMT. Tell me what a vanilla character would need 100k gold for if gdkp wasn’t a thing? That is literally YEARS worth of enchants, consumables, mount, any item you could dream of. The issue is the amounts of gold people purchase because of gdkps. They would never need to purchase anywhere near those amounts of gold if gdkp wasn’t a thing. Are you denying that gdkps are inflating golds value massively?
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Uhh… what???
Botting? Impossible to stop. GDKP’s? So easy to stop it’s actually funny. People value their accounts way more than you may want to believe. If they see a wave of bans go out on GDKPers ONCE, it’ll end.
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Are you denying that gdkp inflates the value of gold massively?
Bro… are you even reading what I’ve stated?
I don’t know if botting is impossible to stop. After following a lot of bots, no matter how random they think they are, they always have behaviors that can be clearly identified as a machine.
It’s a simple question. Are you denying that gdkp inflates the value of gold massively?
Can you quote anything that I’ve stated that suggests this? Why are you asking me this question?
Yeah, but they’ll just keep making em no matter what. It would require a team the size of the entire current Blizz dev team to actually end it, and they’ll never do that. On top of that, botting technology has gotten so sophiscated in SOME cases that they’re using AI to mimic actual players. Granted, this is a more select case and most of the bots you see are very obviously bots, but that doesn’t change the manpower issue.
I just want a simple answer instead of an essay denying the impacts gdkp has on the inflation of the value of gold. Seems real hard for you to answer.
I guess you really haven’t read a single post of mine. I’m quite curious if you’ve even intended to reply to me.
Perhaps I’m just interacting with a bot!
I don’t know how anyone could argue against the inflation of gold via GDKP honestly. It’s really simple. People buy gold, they spend a crap ton of the gold on a few items in a GDKP. The bought gold then gets spread around to players not even buying gold. They spend whatever someone priced consumes at on the AH, expensive or cheap, because it doesn’t matter to them because they just made 20k in 2 hours in a game where 1k is meant to be a mountainous amount of gold. Then consumes become overpriced because everyone is just getting GDKP gold. So the only way to buy consumes is find some way to either take advantage of people doing GDKPs, or do GDKPs yourself.
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