So you can’t answer the question?
Thats fair, I just think making it prohibitively expensive to operate (raising gold buying priecs) is probably the best way to combat the issue. BUt yeah, with the introduction of AI, it would be an arms race for sure.
Dude is 100% avoiding the question lol
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I would argue that GDKP is NOT a good loot system. It allows loot to go to people in the raid that perhaps did not contribute at all. You are forcing people to value the gold they make at the end of gdkp over them getting the item or even having a chance of getting the item. RMT has gotten as bad as it is BECAUSE of GDKPs, so it only makes sense that limiting GDKPs (and boosting) would remove two of the gold sinks that gold is required for. WHat would people buy gold for then? Respecs? You won’t limit the supply because bots, but you can limit the demand, and capping gold trade amount by level, investigating items that sell for %'s over the value, all kinds of means can be used to identify and ban offenders. Once you find one, I feel like just a little research leads you to the network.
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I’ll take a stab at it. Because gold can be used to purchase things of incredible value, and the amounts needed are so great (think Naxx GDKPs) and the consumables required for that content are so high, the costs for everything increase as the requirement for gold increases. It is the same reason the dollar has any value at all. Countries HAVE to have dollars to purchase oil form Saudi Arabia. Once you take away the ability to spend that much gold and the two major sinks driving it (GDKPs and boosting), then the value of that gold is reduced.
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He must work as a politician 
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Bro said gdkps bring everyone that can do the raid, and not people with mass amounts of gold 
im weak lil bro
I think every single gdkp ive been in has a handful of afk stay dead players that dont care to know the raid, that also drop 80k on a trinket
Also gdkps since vanilla??? Yeah like 3 of them at a time, not the entire server spamming lfg with 50 some gdkps going on
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Politicians don’t work.
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I feel like this is a reasonable gripe. Though of course it depends on the GDKP ruleset being used, and there are trade-offs to be considered. For example, a pure buyer who would be not contributing at all would still be providing gold for the items, and in such raids there are also usually carry players who do not need any items.
Of course, if you don’t like that style, you could join or form a group where everyone contributes. Some groups have min. contribution requirements (such as green or above parses), etc. And of course, some may find fault with whatever loot distribution system is being used or whichever ruleset. So, you can decide which trade-offs make sense for your situation.
I’m not really sure whether (or to what extent) this is true, but I also am very curious as to why it would matter anyway? What difference does it make if RMT is “this big” or “THIS BIG?”
Basically, my question is, supposing that a large number of people who buy gold do so only because of GDKPs, so they can use the gold they buy to purchase gear, ok then so what? What difference would it make if those people didn’t buy gold?
Like, I can understand someone saying, “I don’t like bots in the game.” I don’t like bots in the game, either. But so what? What does having or removing them from the game change for me? or anyone? Likewise, what are the drawbacks for the average WoW player of people buying gold, and using it in GDKPs, and what do people hope or expect will change if GDKPs were magically removed?
Sure, respecs, mounts, talents, professions, crafting mats, raiding mats. People might even give guilds or other players gold for carries through instances or raids, or in exchange for items, I suppose.
Maybe, but the gold that is in the game, even gold that is RMT gold or gold that comes from bots is gold that has come from within the game. Even if you completely remove bots and RMT (not that this is something that’s particularly possible), you’re probably not going to remove or eliminate GDKP (or large amounts of gold being in circulation), because it’s a very good system in that it gives players agency to use their DKP in other places, raids, etc. and it rewards those who are spending the extra time/effort to organize, while also incentivizing people to stay until completion.
It’s a system that works very well from all sides. I can definitely understand that people do not like RMT/Botting, but pointing at GDKP and screaming “RMT/Botting bad. Ban GDKP.” doesn’t make sense!
Because the bigger it gets the more it impacts everyone as a whole. And you start getting situations like era where a new player finds it incredibly difficult to raid because they cannot afford consumables, and there’s so many bots farming that they can’t farm in the open world either because nodes and mobs are camped to oblivion. So they can’t afford consumables to raid and they can’t actually generate anywhere near the amount of gold to match the absurd inflation.
If gold value is dramatically decreased by removing gdkp from a fresh server the amount of gold being pumped into the servers by bots is decreased massively and we don’t get consumable prices getting to the crazy levels they are at today on era. So yeah, it is a huge factor, I’d much rather there be 1 bot than 50 bots
Why not? How are these players getting their gold, and what difference does it make if consumables are “this much” or “THIS MUCH” when the materials and other items/services one might sell also have gold values that increase/decrease relative to inflation?
If you’d played era at 60 you would know. You clearly have no idea…
Is this some ad hominem, because you literally have no argument?
I already stated that you can’t farm to match inflation but you ignored that just like you ignored answering my last question
A lot of “so what, who cares” lil bro lol, just because you dont care about bots doesnt mean a lot of players dont.
I just got to 60 on era after transfering from hardcore after dying. I was excited to get into some raiding. I saw nothing but gdkp spam over and over. I tried forming my own raid group and after about 3 hours gave up. Since i came from leveling in hardcore i dont have thousands of gold to join these garbage gdkps. So why exactly do I have to make gold to participate in a raid? Why is that the only way? Excluding consumables of course.
Gdkps would be a good system if the gold was reasonable. But im not making 15k gold to piss it away on one trinket
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I must have missed where you stated this. In any case, it isn’t true. Of course static gold values, like the rewards from quests, won’t increase as the value of gold decreases, but the costs of leveling items, and mats from gathering professions does.
You ignore my questions, too. We’re not even having a conversation. It feels as though you’re just making stuff up and trolling me. My bad for falling for the bait!
It is true. You don’t play era. You have no idea. Every node worth any gold is instantly taken by bots under the world and every spot with mobs worth farming is full of bots or gold farmers. Again showing how little you know about this game. Keep swiping and defending your gdkps. Do you still deny they don’t inflate the value of gold massively?
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Its pointless arguing with him, i transfered to era from HC and already quit. The gold to join these gdkps are unreasonable. Im not gonna make 15k gold to piss it away on one trinket while i watch 7 other players not even participate drop 80k on one item. Gdkp would be a good system if the gold prices werent clearly bought amounts of gold
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Cool!~ Grats. On this character? Which server?
It’s totally not. Why don’t you join a guild, or sign up for someone’s SR/MS>OS runs? Are you familiar with Discord, do you have access to some discord servers for raid groups on your cluster?
Well, I haven’t been playing Era lately, so I’m not going to pretend that I am actively playing it. I do have one of my level 60s in Era still though.
Woah man, just because you’re a big time RMT advocate, don’t imply that I am for it. I am definitely against RMT! I don’t even buy WoW Tokens.
All good points and I would agree if the RMT/GDKP world didn’t directly impact the rest of the server. Watching Mongoose potions go from 8g to 35g as the world flooded with gold was pretty crazy. As the botters/gold sellers monitor how much gold is injected into the economy, they also adjust what they can extract with their botting. I would submit that the less gold injected would combat the inflation on almost all botted goods, which are quite extensive anymore. If there is less overall gold to spend, things have to be moved cheaper to move them, meaning there is less iincetive to buy rather than farm the gold needed as goods reach a critical intersection point of effort/reward.
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