A tool being used for an unintended purpose. This is like saying hammers murder people so we need to ban hammers. It’s just a tool. We’re not going to ban kitchen knives because their usefulness massively outweighs the damage they do when used improperly.
Sanctioned RMT, on the other hand, is more like giving people guns and legalizing murder.
Big difference.
I don’t need to have any ideas. It’s Blizzard’s problem to fix. But they could probably start with bringing back a few GMs. Heck even one GM overlooking every version of WoW could make a huge impact. There’s a ton of things that could be cleaned up in a matter of minutes. If they gave me the keys I could probably find 20 accounts to ban in 5 minutes.
GDKP is popular because its easier than more conventional raids and uses gold as an incentive. Its easier - not better. That’s up to individual interpretation.
Buying gold is also easier than grinding it. So long as RMT is a thing you’re going to have opposition to GDKPs and you just have to live with it rather than try and promote it as something it isn’t and/or tell people they’re nuts for seeing the ugly side of it.
It does things differently but in essence it is no different than any other loot system. People are drawn to whatever system jives with their ideals and we can guess who GDKPs appeal too based on how it was built to function.
On the flip side, you can’t assume everyone who GDKPs is a filthy cheater out to destroy the game. It does give filthy cheaters an advantage and perhaps even an incentive to cheat but its not as though the system itself is devoid of any and all benefits of group play.
Cheating and RMT is going to exist with or without GDKP so its up to everyone to choose whats best for them and go do that instead of worrying what everyone else is up too.
Someone asked this question in discord of a GDKP raid I was in. About half said they would unsub if GDKPS were removed, some said they would stop raiding and just pvp. A small minority of the carries said they would keep raiding. One guy asked “Why on earth would I carry scrubs for free?”
It’s more like saying people have to use a hammer instead of a gun to drive nails at your jobsite. There are many loot systems that that do not completely infest the game with P2W RMT.
When you talk about GDKP as a tool, you’re conveniently leaving out all of the details that make GDKP not so much a tool for a PUG DKP system, but a tool for bringing P2W carry-raiding culture from retail into classic.
Details such as:
You must have a minimum amount of gold to join this raid.
You must bid on items that I feel you should bid on.
I will take your cut if you don’t bid on items, and you try to keep your cut for something more expensive.
You cannot buy items that would otherwise rot for small amounts of gold, but instead for a minimum bid (5,000g minimum in Naxx for example).
GDKP is carry-selling from retail WoW with a side of gambling addiction.
I have told you before that all gold buyers and sellers could be DNA banned in my book. It doesn’t effect me, and actually many GDKPers would be banned as a result. Keep lying.
I have never bought gold. I have never bought a WoW token. I have never bought a cosmetic in a game except for a Jarven skin that I gifted to my brother for his birthday.
Youre so obsessed with hating gdkps that the only things you can muster are about how much you hate gdkps.
If gdkps were banned I would never see you make a thread about other avenues of RMT. You hand wave and dismissed my examples in this thread previously multiple times, choosing to quote and respond to another aspect of the post even, to avoid talking about RMT external to gdkps.
Why? Because you exclusively hate gdkps and really couldn’t care less about rmt.
There were no GDKP’s on Classic Era for all of 2021 and 2022
Game didn’t die. In fact, it grew.
The GDKP infestation is what happens when there is zero moderation. It has nothing to do with player preferences and everything to do with Era just not getting any attention from Blizzard.
Ship has sailed. Almost every post you have the forums is explicitly about hating gdkps, with prior history of actively ignoring any post that tries to bring up RMT in other avenues, choosing to double and triple down on explicitly screeching about gdkps and gdkps alone.
In a perfect world if rmt never existed you’d still hate gdkps.
In a perfect world where gdkps are banned in full, but rmt still exists, I know you wouldn’t be going hundreds of posts crusading explicitly against it.
It’s because you hate gdkps, and really don’t care about rmt. You use rmt as a shield from criticism. That’s it.
Yeah, you’re lying. Since I’ve spent time discussing with you an un-tradable DKP system (one-way gold conversion) which would be the closest thing to RMT-proof GDKP that you could get. The idea of official PUG DKP is good. RMT-DKP is as bad as can be.
While leveling to 60 again, I had no issue generating so much gold from gathering professions that I never wanted anything I couldn’t afford. Epics, enchants, epic riding, all at 60 on ding.
Still had close to 2k in hand and could easily make that gold work for me in low tier gdkps like MC and ZG, and transition to Aq/Naxx without issue.
You also don’t have a raid schedule with gdkps, so feel free to take months if you want, but that’s purely choice.
2021 Era < Current Era.
You spent post after post floundering to even explain your asinine idea, that left every poster here confused on how it even works.
All you did was spout “I HAVE THIS IDEA THAT WORKS IN FULL WITHOUT ELABORATION AND IF YOU DONT AGREE ITS BECAUSE YOU LOVE TO BUY GOLD.”
That’s all you stated and you’re strutting around like it’s supposed to be some fact of law now? No, you’re a delusional luke warm IQ NPC who just wants to cope every post because you choose to believe that everyone who disagrees with you buys gold or sells gold.
I will never see you make any thread about RMT, that is not also being linked to gdkps, because you don’t hate RMT, you just hate gdkps.
I don’t understand the population argument. Literally every wow server ever struggles to maintain population going into the final raid tier, forget what happens to the population after it’s been on farm for years.
SoD is being “Regularly” updated, if you can’t see how that would affect players I’m really not sure there’s a conversation to be had here.
No. That actually does not make sense. A gun isn’t made to drive nails. GDKP is made to be a loot system. It was specifically designed to motivate raiders to perform and solve basically all of the issues that arise from other loot systems. Please try and make sense.
Loot systems do not create cheaters. The cheaters were always there just looking for a way to cheat. Cheaters will buy gold to raid whether that means using their unethically obtained gold to buy consumables for the raid or using the unethically obtained gold to buy the gear itself.
Let’s also not forget there are quite a few highly valued items which can be purchased on the auction house. Banning GDKP does nothing to stop cheaters from buying edgmasters handguards, +4 all stats recipes, bottomless bag recipe and many other things which can often sell for more than highly valued Naxx gear in a GDKP. What will banning GDKP do to stop that?
Nothing.
Target the root of the problem or it will always persist.
How many GDKPs have you done? Because they’re usually way smoother than other loot systems. Bosses go down quick. People pay attention to mechanics. They use consumables. They unboon. All of this happens because people want to perform well. They’re far more motivated. Although it does depend on the particular group, other loot systems are typically more of a carry.
I have a feeling you haven’t done many GDKPs and thus don’t really know what you’re talking about.
