Here is the issue GDKPS are a funnel into rmt and/or botting or buying gold, just to get gear. I speak from experience from talking with my guild in discord. I’ll explain:
I am in a tight knit, very small guild on one of my toons. We barely have enough people to do AQ20 and ZG20, and most of the time, those raids are scheduled but never happen. Guild morale is at an all low. There was a heated discussion in discord about maybe transitioning into GDKPS and pugging raids. Some of core members admitted that it wouldn’t matter because they buy their gold anyway and do GDKPS to get geared (since the guild doesn’t raid.)
Before the forum warriors jump on this post to tell me to leave the guild, (which I might anyways), I did have a conversation with these people about their choices and how it harms everyone including the guild if they get banned. The issue is that the vast majority of WoW players do not give a flying poop about the community. They are going to do what’s best for them. If they can’t find a guild to raid with or can’t commit to a weekly schedule due their job and can’t make their gold legitimately, they will just buy their gold. This was one comment in our discord chat where one member said that WoW was a game, and he didn’t have time to farm gold like a second job just to play a game he paid for, and that buying gold was like weed, its illegal but everyone does it. Another member stated that Blizz sells gold via wow tokens in retail, it should be the same in era.
Players should not feel like they either have to give up on their friends that they’ve made or join a different guild. There should be a healthy mix of SR raids and GDKPS, and it sucks that there isn’t. We can blame the community sure, but at the end it’s the gaming industry’s fault. As soon as the suits started to realize they can make more money off a $15 mount than all game sales combined that was it. The industry has trained the players that if they want something the players should pull out their credit cards and swipe. I played WoW during TBC and Wrath there were never any GDKPS and now that is all there is.
In order to stop botting and rmt, Blizzard needs to take drastic steps. First ban GDKPS and then ban gold transfers between players unless something of value is traded. Path of Exile has a very strict currency trade policy where you are not even allowed to win currency in something like a twitch giveaway. All suspicious trades are flagged by the system and sent to a human for review. That needs to happen here.
I’m so depressed over everything and upset that we have members that think like this and feel like this about a game that I love. At the very least I’ll give it the weekend, but I think I’m done with this guild if that is how people feel.
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Actually the real solution is a permanent full battle net ban for buying gold.
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I had thought about hardware/IP bans, but that still won’t stop the bad actors from doing it, and it isn’t hard to get around those. People do far riskier things in real life for things they want.
GDKP is the only loot system that players can realistically raid, consume, and not buy gold.
I’m not sure why you think banning them will help your raid, it will just make most raiders stop playing.
Banning gold buyers and sellers is the only way to deal with that issue - but it will not make SR / DKP / LC systems more viable in Era… the main reason only a few of those raids exist is because they struggle to attract carries and promote loot drama.
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Two solutions: First personal loot. Second to keep the raiding community strong (people playing) weekly quest for every raid that gives you a large amount of gold for completing the raid.
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This would destroy the game.
From your OP it seems you aren’t really in a position to suggest on how to improve vanilla.
GDKPs can form AQ20s / ZG raids in middle of the night with 20 random players in blues.
I think perhaps it is worth looking inwards and at the people you play with and perhaps expand that circle to people who can do content, instead of trying to change the game for the tens of thousands who are having a great time.
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We’ve tried, that’s why I’m thinking of leaving. First, I do not want to play with people who contribute to the problem, and second there are plenty of guilds that are already established that I can join. But there are many people who don’t care about this and would prefer to stay with their friends. I myself am still a little unsure.
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Yeah my main is in a SR guild on whitemane - i think they have 2 naxx crews - though I raid with a gdkp group because I only want gold from naxx.
There are plenty of successful non-gdkp guilds - but imo it is a lot more work and a much bigger risk for raiders that invest their time.
But the point is neither are exclusive - so your post title is a bit rude considering you are asking to ban a system many people enjoy because your guild failed at the most basic raids.
Perhaps you should instead ask: Why is my ‘tight knit’ group unable to form the easiest raids on era?
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Find a new guild. You ain’t taking away what the majority like and want. Your guild just sucks tbh
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If you simply full on ban their entire Battlenet account, this is every single Blizz game they own, with all its associated accounts; they have lost quite a bit in many cases.
If you full battlnet ban them every single time they cheat like this they will eventually grow tired of wasting money and play legit.
each time you ban them, they have lost, and bliz…er Microsoft gains.
Banning them permanently works, and this soft kid gloves crap is why they keep doing it; because there is no real risk if they can get their account / characters back.
Just so you’re aware, this guild that I am in does actual progression raiding every year on new characters; progression teams are not GDKP in MR.
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Neither will supporting them by sticking with them…
Is it?
I don’t think one has anything to do with the other. Buying a mount and/or paying to play a game are not at all equivalent to buying gold to get ahead of others.
I think the question is whether it’s socially acceptable or morally reprehensible for players to buy gold from third parties… If you think the latter, but are actively engaged in communities (your guild) that are comprised of gold buying leadership, you’re going to have a hard time.
You can’t really both be OK with buying gold, or socially/casually accepting of people buying gold, and complain about bots, imo.
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So banning GDKPs is not going to solve your problem. You problem is likely a combination of two things, first your guild lacks people which are capable of large scale recruiting which is mandatory for 40m raids, second you’re likely missing a strong raid leader. Without these two things it’s going to be close to impossible recruit for a guild that has 15 people to do harder content, and if you had these two things you wouldn’t be here complaining.
Either way eliminating pug raids by killing GDKPs will not solve your problems, and it would likely make your problems worse. All banning GDKPs does is reduce the number of overall raiders which impacts pug raids often where the good raids start putting in gear checks as their is far less tolerance to carry people that essentially bring nothing to the raid.
The problem is generally SR is a terrible way to run pugs and while there are a few that can successfully do it, generally SR raids will struggle far more with content, and often can people mid way thru as if people don’t get their gear and the raid is struggling, since they have no motivation to stay. This means you usually only get under geared and often poorly performing players.
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Hey guys , I’m just getting into this wow thing that you all have been playing for years….
I would like the developers to ban the currently most popular player created loot system because I don’t like it.
This will eliminate gold buying and stop botting. The prices of everything will drop, flasks will be 5g.
The game will be pure again, and we can revert back to need, greed, or pass.
Geared characters will login to raid just for fun and carry.
Please Ban GDKP
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Banning people that then re-buy and re-sub to WoW is part of the expected revenue stream for Blizzard.
I don’t agree… server economies with GDKP are healthier than those without, for the simple reason that you get your cut of the GDKP at the end of every raid. Sure, some classes are going to struggle with making gold through GDKP, especially druids, hunters, and rogues, but if you pick a class that every raid wants, especially healers, running gdkps every lockout can be an excellent way to make gold.
The Reason why SoD is doing so poorly is because Blizzard Kneecapped it’s economy at the start by banning GDKP… now everyone and their mother had to buy gold just to stay relevant at max level and end progression raiding…
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I pay a lot more attention to players’ actions in game than what people say on forums. And all you have to do is look at the fact that the VAST majority of raids on Whitemane are gdkp.
Nothing is stopping players from getting together in SR guilds, but the fact is that very few do.
Era players have made it clear that they want GDKP. Period.
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The irony of these pro-GDKP folks is that the gold buying etc makes the game far more like pay-to-win retail/Cataclysm than the classic that they supposedly want to preserve.
No GDKP is much closer to the original game.
Even the private servers that people played on before classic banned GDKP!
All that said: I’m not holding my breath for it to change any time soon. SoD banned GDKP. That’s where people who actually want to play the game should play for now, until the next fresh server.
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Is it? How about no addons? How about no guides, or no sims, helps with talent specs? Poorly itemized gear, lack of enchants, no consumes, etc… It might be closer to the original game for a lot of people, but I’d be curious whether that phrase (“closer to the original game”) holds any value.
Is this meant to suggest that private servers are good/better or bad/worse? So what if private servers did something? What does that say about anything?
Yes, SoD banned GDKPs. They did so many things with SoD that it’s pretty difficult to point to it and say, “Look they did this thing, it had this effect.”
Personally, I haven’t been to any GDKPs for quite some time. I think I have gone to 2 in Cata. It has never been the main loot system for the majority of raids that I attend, but I have been to several, and hosted several raids or raid groups that use it as a loot system.
I think it is less rife for corruption than most other loot systems, but it’s very easy to hand wave and point to say “But RMT.” Yes, RMT exists. If you believe most players are buying gold, then that’s an issue with either most players or you, regardless of GDKP.
Are there significantly more people causing some sort of harm to the game due to GDKP than the total amount of harm that would be caused to the game without GDKP? That’s an interesting question, and I don’t think anybody has given any data that suggests that’s the case, ever (if you have anything to point to, please do).
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The only thing banning GDKP actually did for Blizzard is make it easier to read the mountains of trade-logs… So maybe if they just used their massive income to hire some more people they could leave GDKP alone and ban the RMTer’s.
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