Don’t play dumb. There is a world of difference between consumables (static cost, always going to need them with or without GDKP, this is classic WoW) and farming gold to purchase raid gear.
There’s really not. You farm gold on your main and send it to your alt to buy things like your epic mount too (another big source of RMT btw).
So you have no argument you’re just being a moron for the sake of it because you’re mad about RMT.
I’m glad I could help you reach this conclusion.
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Flask of the Titans: 200g on Classic Era
Onslaught Girdle (Molten Core item btw): 30K gold
Yeah, it’s a little different.
Onslaught girdle, 2nd bis for entire game drops in a first tier raid.
Now name off the rest of that raids loot table that goes for minbid or lower.
If they go for min bid, it’s because they’re trash and no one wants them.
Wouldn’t it be great if a new player could just roll on bad items and win them, without farming gold to get useless items that no one else wants???
Does it matter? Its not like the servers remaining online is contingent on how many people raid. Ultimately, you’re just driving headlong into a circular argument:
If all the raiders leave then there will be nobody to kill raid bosses. Since nobody was killing them, nobody would be affected by the change.
To answer your question though less than 5% of the population will being doing Naxx which is way more vanilla than GDKP.
And actually lets talk about prices. Your server has been farmed on for the last like 5 years. What do you think is going to happen?
Could it be, that prices will inflate, as gold continues to infinitely enter the economy, forever?
What is this argument? Nobody is raiding now so nobody is affected, except everyone who quit because you killed the server with your change??? Hello?
Yeah now go overboard with bias and say that GDKPs actually deter if not repel gold sales. Then talk about misinformation.
Yikes dude.
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Nothing can kill the server. Its forever.
If raid bosses arent dying because no one cares to kill them I dont know who its supposed to be a big deal too. Non raiders, raid guilds and people who can handle an SR pug aren’t all going to disappear with you. Get over yourself.
Okay, you’re part way there so lets take your magic scenario where GDKP gets removed.
I’ll be generous and say nobody quits immediately because of the change.
Naxx/AQ40 raiders raid log their 2 raids until they can’t form raids because too much of their core has quit since they all got their bis already.
The people doing BWL/MC prop this up for awhile but eventually it dries out at the top level and this trickles down.
If you’re having trouble following why the top end dries out, core raider gets bis, quits, now you need a replacement, as the BWL/MC clearers dry out you’re pulling people from further down, now your guild needs to go back and do MC/BWL too to help these guys catch up, burn out, more top end of gearing players get bis or burn out and quit.
We have literal proof of this happening on a faster timetable and smaller group sizes with Heroic+ in wrath classic. We have decades of complaints about raid logging once people have no reason to log in besides raid night.
If you don’t see how you eventually kill the server with this change, whether it’s in 6 weeks or 6 months, you’re delusional.
And not one of you has any data or proof to counter anything I’ve said. It’s gonna be another do-nothing lip service post or more “RMT bad, GDKP bad cuz RMT”.
Its not my scenario nor am I asking for GDKPs removal. We’re playing hypotheticals all the way around.
The game doesn’t need to support people who somehow manage to burn themselves out on this game and GDKP isn’t any kind of an answer to that. Its just a loot system with a gimmick and plays to peoples sense of entitlement like any “good” loot system except its wide open for potential abuse.
You’re definition of what a dead server is totally irrelevant to me and the conversation.
GDKP does not grant you any kind of powers over the life or death of any server, kid yourself as much as you want. The more likely scenario is a few hundred people quit and next to no one notices and the quality of the raid scene improves.
Ive said this was my problem with pro GDKP (and anti GDKP) arguments across multiple threads. You guys sell carries and think youre all that. Just say selling carries is your business and business is good. We don’t need to make a savior religion out of it, like seriously, get a grip. Or just talk to Xdrain.
And even if the Classic Era somehow died in your laughable tragedy the 18 people who still played didnt seem to mourn your passing. Been there done that already too. Then Era gets that Fresh start everyones been wanting. Be a win/win really.
The quality of the raid scene doesn’t improve. We’re literally seeing it happen live on SoD. If you raid on SoD you would in fact know that the quality of pugs is falling and will continue to fall.
We have decades of proof to the contrary that the raid scene does not get better the longer a server is live. Why is Era suddenly the exception? Hey fun fact it actually isn’t.
It’s the second to somehow avoid falling off, the first is Warmane, a server where you can “legally” sell your character when you’re done playing it. Among other things. Like “legal” gold buying, or “legally” buying an item from the cash shop.
Era does not survive for 5 years without GDKP. It doesn’t live another year without GDKP. You’re beyond braindead if you think it does. It has nothing to do with me quitting or whatever you seem to think, it has everything to do with THE PLAYERBASE AT LARGE ALWAYS choosing to not engage with content they don’t receive rewards from. And you’re welcome to try and argue this point but PvPer’s have been dealing with a dwindling playerbase for years largely because the gear is irrelevant to PvE progression, so good luck with that.
A near-bis character, does not care about your ZG, or your MC, or your Ony, or whatever else. Large numbers of raids on Era fill because these characters are still incentivized to clear them.
GDKPs deter repeat petty gold buyers.
They incentivize whales.
Either way I think all gold buying / selling should be banned - and in that endgame, GDKPs still are the only reason I would raid in a Era server.
I wont play new server if they put GDKP able again. Enough is enough
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Reminder, the majority of forum users are against GDKP, forum users are the minority. Your opinion is likely the minority. Nobody will miss you.
I wont miss you also gold buyer noob
I’ve never bought gold. I made thousands selling ghost mushrooms.
you have no life than which is the equivalent of buying gold than buying gear in GDKP, youre the cancer of classic
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I made those thousands while working 12 hours shifts 5 days a week. I’m really not sure why you think I’m a gold buyer but if you think anyone who disagrees with you is “the cancer” of anything, maybe check into therapy.