Balancing the Vote-Kick Penalty: A Call for Change

[Duhammad-grobbulus]

@Pyrite-kaelthas

I shouldn’t be forced to stay to defeat the rest of the wing with no possible loot rewards just to avoid a 30 minute debuff

Agreed. They made a dumb decision at the start of the xpac that needs to be reverted.

[Karvalli-proudmoore]

@Pyrite-kaelthas

In relation to LFR I signed up to do all the bosses of that wing; not to be backfilled and then have to restart the wing to down the bosses that the system caused me to miss.

Sounds like there should be a way to disincentivize as many people as possible from leaving then. Maybe some type of debuff for leaving where they can’t participate in queued content for half an hour or something?

@Pyrite-kaelthas

If I requeue to hit the first boss skipped by the system due to backfilling, I shouldn’t be forced to stay to defeat the rest of the wing with no possible loot rewards just to avoid a 30 minute debuff.

Well if you leave you’re just doing to the next person what someone did to you. You were frustrated, why would you put that on someone else too?

[Kaïne-pagle]

Is it okay to kick someone for saying hi? Does this warrant a kick to you?

[Liolang-daggerspine]

@Pyrite-kaelthas

If I requeue to hit the first boss skipped by the system due to backfilling, I shouldn’t be forced to stay to defeat the rest of the wing with no possible loot rewards just to avoid a 30 minute debuff.

I agree.
If you dont want to be there, I dont want you there either.
Not you personally, but some of these players will take their little rage tantrum out on four players if they feel forced to stay to avoid the timeout.

I want them to LEAVE if they want to leave…not stay and troll the rest of us.

[Karvalli-proudmoore]

@Kaïne-pagle

Is it okay to kick someone for saying hi? Does this warrant a kick to you?

I personally wouldn’t kick them, no.

[Julaalu-lightninghoof]

Causes they don’t want to be held at a ultimatum of do it this way or else you get the boot. Thats not how people should view that as fun I don’t.

When you got a vote kick threat dangling over your head as a weapon then group content ceases to be fun.

[Pyrite-kaelthas]

@Karvalli-proudmoore

Sounds like there should be a way to disincentivize as many people as possible from leaving then. Maybe some type of debuff for leaving where they can’t participate in queued content for half an hour or something?

Or, perhaps they could allow people to choose a full wing over backfilling, or, just to target specific bosses. The latter might better aid in correcting the backfilling problem.

@Karvalli-proudmoore

Well if you leave you’re just doing to the next person what someone did to you. You were frustrated, why would you put that on someone else too?

I have no choice in what the system sends me into. If get backfilled and kill the last boss and then requeue only to get backfilled again, is it my fault or the system’s fault?

The system needs addressing.

[Karvalli-proudmoore]

@Julaalu-lightninghoof

When you got a vote kick threat dangling over your head as a weapon then group content seizes to be fun.

It *ceases to be fun.

If the vote to kick threat is causing you to change your behavior to something that’s more pleasant for the group because you want to avoid getting kicked, that’s its job and it’s working as intended.

[Masari-suramar]

@Liolang-daggerspine

I want them to LEAVE if they want to leave…not stay and troll the rest of us.

GASP

you mean like, having a choice of NOT getting a 30 minute debuff? and NOT be a jerk to the rest of the players in the group for the rest of the run because the debuff exists “as a deterrent”? and maybe the rest of the group can leave with NO PENALTY if they feel a run is not going as smooth they’d like??

THE SHEER BLASPHEMY!

man that would be the WORST!

[Liolang-daggerspine]

lmao…strawmans abound today by those who cant respond TO what is said instead of what they made up in their head lol

[Karvalli-proudmoore]

@Pyrite-kaelthas

Or, perhaps they could allow people to choose a full wing over backfilling

If you could choose this from the start, who would ever choose to backfill? Groups would never get backfilled and they’d just fall apart. Then they’d all have to queue up again and choose to backfill, but again, no one would be choosing to backfill.

@Pyrite-kaelthas

I have no choice in what the system sends me into. If get backfilled and kill the last boss and then requeue only to get backfilled again, is it my fault or the system’s fault?

That has nothing to do with you leaving after the first one, forcing someone else into the same situation you came here to complain about.

[Pyrite-kaelthas]

@Liolang-daggerspine

I agree.
If you dont want to be there, I dont want you there either.
Not you personally, but some of these players will take their little rage tantrum out on four players if they feel forced to stay to avoid the timeout.

I want them to LEAVE if they want to leave…not stay and troll the rest of us.

If I’m stuck because of the system I’m not going to just sit there. It’s not in my nature. However, it doesn’t make me feel any better to see the piece of loot that I’ve been trying to get drop and I can’t even roll for it. Even though I was helping to down the boss. There’s no tangible reward given for my assistance.

[Liolang-daggerspine]

@Masari-suramar

@Liolang-daggerspine

I want them to LEAVE if they want to leave…not stay and troll the rest of us.

GASP

you mean like, having a choice of NOT getting a 30 minute debuff? and NOT be a jerk to the rest of the players in the group for the rest of the run because the debuff exists “as a deterrent”? and maybe the rest of the group can leave with NO PENALTY if they feel a run is not going as smooth they’d like??

THE SHEER BLASPHEMY!

man that would be the WORST!

lol.
my perfect game is

• timeout removed.
• 3 vote kicks per daily reset per Bnet
• Any “NO” vote vetos the entire kick.

Those will help the abuses really quick
If the tank has no reason to “hold hostage” he wont bother…he’ll bail and we can get a GOOD tank to replace him

[Moondoggíe-faerlina]

i view the system as nessacary but its just too much power to the player with a community known to be pretty bad lol. so the debuff on kicked person needs to be 15 max. keep deserter (acutally leaving) the same. 15 mins is a good middle ground for ppl caught in crossfire and still good just to kick the trolls for a bit.

[Pyrite-kaelthas]

@Karvalli-proudmoore

If you could choose this from the start, who would ever choose to backfill? Groups would never get backfilled and they’d just fall apart. Then they’d all have to queue up again and choose to backfill, but again, no one would be choosing to backfill.

“or, just to target specific bosses.”

@Karvalli-proudmoore

That has nothing to do with you leaving after the first one, forcing someone else into the same situation you came here to complain about.

It’s fascinating that you say that when someone says the system needs addressing that it’s complaining.

If the system was working properly, then there would be no need for it. The system would know that I’m there solely for the boss I’m targeting. I wouldn’t get a debuff for leaving after I’ve done my bit for the raid.

[Julaalu-lightninghoof]

@Karvalli-proudmoore

If the vote to kick threat is causing you to change your behavior to something that’s more pleasant for the group because you want to avoid getting kicked, that’s its job and it’s working as intended.

No its creating a my way or the highway attitude. Its not doing anything other then being used as a tool to grief others.

[Liolang-daggerspine]

@Pyrite-kaelthas

It’s fascinating that you say that when someone says the system needs addressing that it’s complaining.

thats what that group does.
Too bad for him that THIS FORUM isnt owned by THEM and BLIZZARD tells us to bring our thoughts HERE.

We HE BUYS actibliz…THEN he can tell you what you can post.

[Liolang-daggerspine]

@Julaalu-lightninghoof

Its not doing anything other then being used as a tool to grief others.

Clearly in many cases…with pride even lol

@Paris-malfurion

Once saw a Dwarf Shaman with the ugliest transmog I’d ever seen.

Proceeded to initiate a kick and got it passed.

@Evilbadguy-malganis

It’s just kicking, there doesn’t need to be any reason at all for me to vote kick you. If I don’t like the way your character looks, your name etc… I’ll just vote kick you as that is entirely within the rules of the game for me to do, so technically it’s not trolling as it’s a legitimate use of the in game feature. Sometimes I just randomly vote kick people in the group to see if it even goes through and 99% of the time it does, it’s not my fault blizzard decided to add the debuff to the entire run instead of just leaving at the start.

[Liolang-daggerspine]

@Moondoggíe-faerlina

15 mins is a good middle ground for ppl caught in crossfire and still good just to kick the trolls for a bit.

15 might actually work.
Isnt there like a timer in the dungeon finder that triggers and you cant requeue for like 10 minutes regardless?
I could swear Ive seen a timer in there when ive bailed and taken the deserter, but some shorter timer was in the DF itself.

[Masari-suramar]

@Karvalli-proudmoore

Groups would never get backfilled and they’d just fall apart.

this is why we’re trying to argue against deserter, so that people can leave without getting deserter as long as it’s after the first boss. having to backfill feels bad, and being a player that backfills and not getting the boss you want sucks.

there is not going to be a solution that either doesn’t go against innocents or benefit trolls, because there’s too many variables. bonus points, is if it goes back to the way it was, you don’t have to spend as much time in threads like these!