This is literally the same logic behind why the deserter debuff exists. You want a punishment meant to deter people from engaging in unwanted behavior.
you have such a ‘holier than thou’ attitude that you assume anyone against you is an unruly player getting kicked all the time
the only people mad are the ones getting kicked UNFAIRLY and UNJUSTIFIEDLY
people can kick for any reason. initiate a vote kick and put the latter “A” in it. almost guaranteed to pass. i have been witness to it despite clicking no.
But keep telling me how innocent players deserve a 30 minute debuff when contributing, not disrupting, being a troll, and being a good player. Answer: they don’t, yet for some reason you refuse to agree on that. Why?
literally its NOT. lmao.
I see tanks bail all the time when I run dungeons during some days…theyve been rage quitting during the run or at the gate in TW for pete sake lmao.
that tiemout doesnt deter them AT ALL.
They just hop onto an alt.
Im just saying…that guy is ONLY here to get attention from you. He’ll keep you going on for a week if you let him
This isn’t 04 anymore go boycott lfd and lfr till anti troll measures are in place. It is obvious people just want to be a jerk and have unlimited kicks. Then points fingers at their victim they kicked like a school bully.
Obviously they do because you and them have been whining about it in this thread and others non-stop. Why do you care so much if it’s not a big deal to get kicked?
Yes they do because they don’t want the deserter.
Ironic
Why are you the arbiter of what’s fair and just? The group requires a majority vote which allows for each group to decide on their own independent of your mandate what’s fair.
Your very own example earlier was of someone getting kicked for not contributing so even in your hypotheticals you can’t come up with a scenario where someone is kicked for contributing, not disrupting, not being a troll, and being a good player. The reality is this doesn’t happen outside of a mistake your group made when they meant to kick you for disrupting the run (which by your own admission here is a valid kick).
We’re still coming up to the issue of you thinking you’re the arbiter of truth on what’s fair and just in the world. The issue is that the system allows for each group to determine that for themselves, while you think it should be you that determines it for everyone. And you think I’m holier than thou?
I never said a truly innocent player deserves the debuff, but you still don’t seem capable of comprehending that the debuff is a deterrent that prevents worse behavior from occurring more often. No one here is arguing that the supposed innocent player deserves the debuff, they’re arguing that removing it makes things worse for more people. And it does. That’s why it was implemented in the first place 16 years ago, and hasn’t changed much since.
Cause people are too immature to tolerate each other like civilized adults that we must have a kick feature. So we can kick people out like children as we laugh at their misfortune.
Cause basement dwellers just want to feel special about something in life I guess. And they get cheap entertainment in vote kicking people like a bully.
Little do they know we have Delves now which makes group content obsolete. We can get 600+ item level gear from Tier 8+ Delves.
please point out where i whined about myself getting deserter. next.
people who drop out dont care about deserter otherwise they wouldnt drop out at all. next.
only matching your tone, friend
and calling people on bad actions, such as kicking someone who was participating as they should have in a dungeon but got kicked for it anyways.
changing to “all players must complete a dungeon or get a 30 minute penalty regardless of circumstance, oh by the way you can be kicked for any reason because majority rules and have fun with that debuff by the way” was unnecessary.
You thinking you’re the arbiter when it comes to people getting kicked, automatically judging them as doing bad actions. Same thing, innit?
In relation to LFR I signed up to do all the bosses of that wing; not to be backfilled and then have to restart the wing to down the bosses that the system caused me to miss.
I have no ability to target bosses when I sign up again, assuming I don’t get backfilled a second time. Which has occurred, though admittedly not frequently.
If I requeue to hit the first boss skipped by the system due to backfilling, I shouldn’t be forced to stay to defeat the rest of the wing with no possible loot rewards just to avoid a 30 minute debuff.
This does need addressing and so far from Blizz it’s all been crickets.
and there ya go…100% THE motivation in kick abuse.
and why it SHOULD be actionable.
ALL PUG players should move over to Delves only.
When these folks have no one to play with we’ll get to hear the incessant whining in here about how no one wants to PUG with them anymore…and it’ll be grand hearing it lmao