lol…and being kicked IS punishment…their time was wasted and now they have to wait in queue again.
Great, we’re on the same page now. We all want vote to kick to stay and give the power to each group to decide when it’s appropriate to use.
lmao…you getting THREE kicks a day cant be abused by someone else friend…not if you arent abusing the kick and wasting them instead of saving them for REAL problems
So no…they HAVE NOT ALL been tried and abused lol
You say this like it’s something we’ve been against all along. Almost no one said get rid of the vote kick, only get rid of the mandatory deserter. The vote abandon was an alternative to avoid deserter.
So I will be clear. I have always been in favor of removing someone WHO DESERVES IT. Your words have been “it’s fine and we can kick who we want and they get 30 minutes”.
Deserter is the problem.
So go make another thread that I can ignore, this is about deserter.
You are the only one who has said this.
lmao…I made a point…YOU felt to insert yourself son…you make a joke comment and were corrected
Next time keep your eyes off my posts if you dont think you can deal with the answers.
And back full circle, no it’s not. Because applying it to people who get kicked makes it so intentionally getting kicked isn’t a better option than simply leaving the dungeon.
And leaving the dungeon should never be an appealing option for someone. It should be a last resort in extreme cases. Without the deserter, it’s an appealing option to anyone who just simply wanted a different instance.
It’s a deterrent to prevent more common toxic behavior from happening more often, and the reason you don’t think that behavior is an issue is because the deterrent works, and has been working for 16 years.
Congratulations, we’ve reached the end of our journey, I hope you understand now.
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Good idea, I should put you back on ignore, would cut on about half of every threads you feel like posting in.
ok there, last word…do that 
No it is not a problem, we disagree on that. Does it stink to get a 30 minute penalty if you run into a group griefing you sure… does that happen more than once a year? No, I mean I have not been kicked since Shadowlands.
I haven’t been kicked since longer than that and it was fully deserved when I was (I was playing with my talents a lot during the run, not really participating in helping the group clear).
Which brings us back to the idea that if you’re getting kicked a lot, it’s because you’re not participating and/or actively hindering group progress, not because they don’t like your transmog or don’t like Pandaren.
If you get kicked once in a blue moon, that’s unfortunate, but it’s also not an issue. 30 minutes is nothing, you’ll be back before you know it.
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Unlike you, I don’t need deserter to happen when a player is being disruptive. Let them keep queuing in, and being disruptive. People will report them then the problem solves itself. All deserter is going to do is have them log a different character and keep doing it.
My guy, when things happen like the rogue in my group yesterday being kicked for no reason and being required to wait 30+ mins for their next dungeon, REGARDLESS of the fact the kick was meant for me or not is irrelevant. The fact remains he got penalized unfairly. I will never be in favor of deserter past the first boss of a dungeon. At that point you’ll have a good idea of what the rest of the run will be like anyways.
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Not every issue in a dungeon is a reportable offense, that is why the system exists.
You’re right, we need to make deserter account wide to prevent this.
Sucks, it happens, it’s also not a big deal, he’s probably already over it, you should be too. That doesn’t mean we need to go and change things to allow even worse issues to occur more frequently.
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Exactly.
I couldnt care less about them being penalized beyond being removed from the group so I dont have to deal with them.
And as you say, the trolls will just hop alts and troll again.
the timeout ONLY affects ONE player…the one who was playing legit and got kicked for no good reason.
The real trolls will just keep right on trolling.
If you’ve rarely vote kicked, never been voted kicked, never seen vote kicks, then please enlighten me why you are here? You’ve gone against pretty much anything I’ve contributed to the thread in favor of lessening a punishment that, by your words, you’ve pretty much never seen in your WOW lifetime. For something that doesn’t affect your game in the slightest you’re trying awfully hard to fight against any changes that could benefit unfair deserter buffs because they could also benefit trolls, which you’ve also never seen because you never vote kick.
I did about four figure-8s just trying to comprehend what your mission statement is man. Do you even have one?
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Before doing any changes to vtk, they need to revert the idiotic change to deserter.
No one should be stuck in a fail / toxic group or an LFR wing with locked out bosses because some players were spam queueing Ara Kara week one for an OP trinket and dropping after the first boss.
The ability to spam queue AND having an OP trinket drop off the first boss are both Blizzard’s fault, players shouldn’t have to pay for their incompetence.
They could have made it impossible to requeue without dungeon completion or moved the loot to the last boss or maybe better balanced the loot all around so players felt rewarded for running all content.
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If any system can be abused, it will be abused (mass reporting with an automated ban is an example of this).
Personally, I’d like to see something akin to the following:
- Kick feature only exists in groups that are formed via the automated group finder.
- A kick vote can be initiated by anyone for any reason, but no “automatic actions” are taken as a result.
- Both the person being voted out and the party leader are made aware of the vote to kick.
- The party/raid leader is left with the final decision/task of either removing the group member or talking out the issues with the rest of the team.
I think it’d be best to return the responsibility back to the states (I mean, uh, the players who opt to lead the party in automated groups).
#MakeWoWSocialAgain
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You seem to be very confused.
The deserter debuff is a deterrent. It positively affects me every day by just existing. It makes runs go smoother, it makes people behave better out of fear of it. It keeps people from randomly dropping from my groups when the winds change.
But you don’t think it “affects” me because I’m not getting kicked and getting stuck with it? But I’m not getting kicked and stuck with it because I’m not doing anything that would give my group members a reason to want me gone.
Which is my entire point, the only people mad about it existing are the people who keep getting kicked, meaning they keep giving their group a reason to want them gone.