Baine cutscene (spoilers)

Its looking pretty promising to be honest. Well be given a choice to reject N’zoth (and I will), and well be helping Sylvanas get the empty Xal’atath.

not quite empty, as when sylvanas gets it she says that it is dormant but can still be awakened, so apparently there was something else in that blade other than xal

Meh.

Horde can complain all they want about how bad they have it in the lore, but it’s so much better on the red side when it comes to actually accomplishing anything in the end game. Alliance just can’t compete when the devs took until WoD to finally give them worthwhile racials but it was too late then.

And then we wonder why arguments of bias still happen today.

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It seems like Nobody cares for hippie elves :sweat_smile:

Top teir competitive players are the only people who have any right to complain about racials balance, and even then I feel like it’s really something that maybe should be removed outright.

NE shadowmeld is vastly more effective in PVP and their wisp form is more for open world. Both are vastly more beneficial then having an aoe dispell as a mage, but the AOE dispell in one specific situation is a game changer.

It’s all so minor and subjective I don’t know why anyone would really try to sell faction bias. I don’t raid so raid critical racials mean nothing to me.

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It’s become a problem that’s starting to affect even heroic tier raiding as more and more people switch to playing Horde and follow the faction with the bigger pool of players.

It’s a snowball effect that’s just going to get worse until Blizzard steps in and actually commits to doing something instead of just these tiny Horde racial nerfs that they end up making up for by making the racials more important for certain fights. (Like how Blood Elves got silence changed to purge, only for that to become more important in Mythic+ dungeons.)

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Cailias is what you’d get if a Male Human Paladin was trying to troll on an Forsaken Warlock alt to parody the Sylvannas yaaaasqueen fanbois.

Source: It’s how I’d do it, except I’d add rubs hands together in stereotypical evil fashion at the end of each post.

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I am sure when they do we’ll have a ton of horde in here complaining about how it’s imba the other way. It use to be that the alliance were so much better off for pvp.

Storywise I would rather be the faction without the choices that almost ensure one or more of our racial leaders gets killed by our hands. I like saurfang and sylvanas, and don’t have many others. Alliance just regained their entire sons of lothar. lol

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It’s true because just like the MHPs everything I post is rooted in a small part of my actual feelings about the story.

The flavor of authenticity just gives the dish a nice richness, similar to marinara sauce in pasta.

My MHP OCD kicked in, had to fix it <3

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Oh look Zelling is dead. The only good thing to have come out of the Horde war campaign is gone.

I’m not even mad though. Ji was there. The true Warchief earning his respect.

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The obvious solution to this problem is to disable racials for ALL competitive features of the game, and offer a period with free / really cheap faction transfers, period.

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My bet is that Sylvanas will use Xal’atath to summon her own magic ghost boat and then her and Jaina will have a ghost boat fight while Saurfang can be heard in the backdrop yelling “there is no honor in this!”

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Then Baine will use himself as an anchor to drag the whole thing down!

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Please don’t sully the good name of pragmatism by suggesting a 10% effectiveness rate is in any way pragmatic. It’s cartoonishly wasteful.

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It’s not pragmatism… It’s Sylvanas Pragmatism™.

You know, any evil nasty thing you do is totally justified as long as there is some hypothetical benefit to it, no matter how minor it may be. Even if it is not actually the most practical and effective solution to your problem and in fact makes your problem even worse.

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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

Sylvanas is REALLY bad at this.

She started a war only she wanted, at the cost of 8 horde soldiers for every alliance soldier, failed EVERY stated objective going into War of Thorns, subjected the Horde to a MORALLY GREY CAMPAIGN full of sacrificing Horde members, and atrocities and fighting dirty… The end result of which is that the Horde is weeks out from total collapse. And also some members are cheesed off by all the shenanigans along the way.

Honestly, what’s the point of Sylvanas Pragmatism if it doesn’t even work?

We all know she’s going to pull a dues ex machina to even things up, but man, girl.

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I gotta admit, I’m pretty amazed how every single thing the Horde player did in the war campaign has been completely undone and this time around it was undone by Sylvanas rather than the Alliance player.

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Well about the only things that Arthas has done that Sylvanas hasn’t is 1) Kill an Alliance King and 2) Corrupt the Sunwell.

So I think Xal’atath will be covered in Greymane’s blood when she tosses it into the Sunwell in final patch this x-pac.

Saurfang may well be hollering about a lack of honor in the background but it will be drown out by the weeping of Lor’themar and Rommath as they realize they get to live through TBC 2.0 and have to find a way to purify the Sunwell again.

Killing the guy that was instrumental to the Horde doing infiltration in Kul Tiran lands and providing them a solid means of naval travel with his tidesage knowledge.

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