Baine Bloodhoof is a loser

[Akston-area-52]

@Antiman-bloodhoof

To me, when he stood up to Sylvanas, which did have the effect of protecting the Alliance, he was actually protecting the heart and soul of the Horde that Thrall founded, one that would not resort to such tactics

But it wasnt protecting the heart and soul of the Horde to say that a warchief shouldnt kill her own people?

Thats my point.

I want Baine to do these big things, objectively…for the Horde. I dont want there to be a question as to why.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

The thing is, Baine should have stood up to Sylvanas

But he didnt.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

“do I sacrifice a few Tauren lives or risk all of them if I refuse this crazy undead warchief”

And risking them didnt seem to matter…until helping the Alliance was center stage.

Thats…my point.

Baine isnt written to do anything big until it helps the Alliance, while having similar situations where he could help the Horde for the same reason be missed.

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

@Akston-area-52

But it wasnt protecting the heart and soul of the Horde to say that a warchief shouldnt kill her own people?

To a warchief that is like “you are just arrows in my quiver” and would have no issue just discarding them if she felt they were of no use to her?

@Akston-area-52

Baine isnt written to do anything big until it helps the Alliance, while having similar situations where he could help the Horde for the same reason be missed.

And my point is whenever Baine was written like that, was also when the warchief of the Horde was wreeing as “you will follow my will or die” sothe only way the hacks at Blizzard could write him standing up for his beliefes or whatever, were also times when doing such would help or favor alliance. Add that to these were also the periods of time that the style of writing lead to the idea that helping the Horde meant Helping Sylvanas, and vice versa.

The overall affecrt, however, is we just wind up swapping “he stood up to the warchief, he should have stakes made out of his body” with “he is a trator the the Horde he shoudl have steaks made out of his body”

[Akston-area-52]

@Antiman-bloodhoof

To a warchief that is like “you are just arrows in my quiver” and would have no issue just discarding them if she felt they were of no use to her?

She already was…and continued to do so after baine stood up to her about the Alliance.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

And my point is whenever Baine was written like that, was also when the warchief of the Horde was wreeing as “you will follow my will or die” sothe only way the hacks at Blizzard could write him standing up for his beliefes or whatever, were also times when doing such would help or favor alliance.

The overall affecrt, however, is we just wind up swapping “he stood up to the warchief, he should have stakes made out of his body” with “he is a trator the the Horde he shoudl have steaks made out of his body”

So the conclusion is that we have a leader that only stands up for issues when its to favor the Alliance.

That is the issue and that is why he is a horrible character.

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

@Akston-area-52

So the conclusion is that we have a leader that only stands up for issues when its to favor the Alliance.

No, the conclusion, for ones like me, is Blizzard wrote themselves into a courner with Baine, and the Tauren in general, yet ones like you keep coming down on the character whjen, in all honesty, if the WRTERS wanted to do so, they could have written Baine to do every thing YOU wanted him to do

@Akston-area-52

That is the issue and that is why he is a horrible character.

Agian, Baine is not the issue, how he was written by hack writers, that seemd to forget abotu the Tauren, and Baine, till they needed the token “good horde” character/race and kept writing him badly.

[Tiffany-ravencrest]

@Akston-area-52

I am referring to almost his entire story. During BFA, for example, he was a horrible character.

Because you say so. Got it.

[Coromu-bleeding-hollow]

You had me at himbo

[Coromu-bleeding-hollow]

You may need to read the warcraft books of the past that had Baine and maybe learn more. He was not anti tauren or anti horde. He was likewise not the only main character to feel as he did. I feel this Baine hate is just a bandwagon like pineapple pizza.

I want a legitimate lore reason why you hate Baine that had nothing to do with end goal saving horde lives

[Sharacos-moon-guard]

cause he’s a tauren. duh.

[Jhaella-maladath]

Baine got a storyline in DF and it was pretty cool. He literally crushes huge centaur into showers of gibs.

Baine can fight. He’s fought Alliance multiple times, but when he wants to fight he wants to fight for a good reason and not nonsense motivations like the Horde has had for the past several years.

[Furrfist-frostmourne]

I would say Baine’s issue is more of a Horde story writing issue in general rather than anything about his personality or story. It’s more of a lack of cool character moments and feats. That’s usually what this playerbase responds to.

[Akston-area-52]

@Antiman-bloodhoof

Agian, Baine is not the issue, how he was written by hack writers, that seemd to forget abotu the Tauren, and Baine, till they needed the token “good horde” character/race and kept writing him badly.

So Baine isnt the issue.

Its just how he is written.

Baine would be a great character if he was completely written in a different way.

I mean. Yes. thats the entire point.

Its like we are agreeing, but coming to completely different conclusions.

Baine was written horrible and makes bad decisions. But its not that Baine is the issue. He would be a great character if he was written completely differently.

Thats how stories work.

@Tiffany-ravencrest

Because you say so. Got it.

As opposed to…what?

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

@Akston-area-52

He would be a great character if he was written completely differently.

Or at least he could be, someone else might have written him just as bad, but in the sense he was a Sylvanas boot-licker instead of an alliance one.

I attribute such more to the idea that some, both writers and plaers, are still under the assumption that the Horde is evil, or the Horde from WC: O&H and WCII, which is a Horde the Tauren don’t really fit into.

Thing is, I think Baine, and Tauren in general, are hard to comprehend unless yo can handle nuance/gray area between 2 extremes well, both as a writer and as a reader.

[Tiffany-ravencrest]

@Akston-area-52

@Tiffany-ravencrest

Because you say so. Got it.

As opposed to…what?

As opposed to anyone who disagrees.

[Akston-area-52]

@Tiffany-ravencrest

As opposed to anyone who disagrees.

Because you say so?

[Lunkel-garona (Lunkel)]

Generally speaking, there are too many lore characters and not enough story for them to all have something meaningful to do.

[Mookosh-ysondre]

The Blizz writing team has done Baine a serious disservice for way too long. It’s like they just throw him into random stories as a glorified background character who happens to be wearing a name tag.

About the only thing they aver did with him that was really worth anything was when he was going all misguided murder hobo on centaur clans in DF, because obviously he is not gonna be too happy to have to deal with centaurs. But other than that, Blizz just hasn’t done anything with him.

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Rigatoní-area-52

why is he on the horde?

He’s not.

[Tovi-moon-guard (Tovi)]

@Lemiel-wyrmrest-accord

It’s the god awful SL writers.

Yeah… about that…

He’s been completely terrible since Cata.

@Zhiyuwanju-moon-guard

Finally, think most of us are waiting for Magatha to come back in and show him what a spine is.

Magatha killed Cairne and sacked Bloodhoof Village and Thunder Bluff. Making her leader of the tauren would be like making Onyxia queen of Stormwind.

[Moondoggíe-faerlina]

wtf? i hate him but this makes me mad
bc the horde has no one and they won’t
do anything for the horde. it’s so annoying

[Tovi-moon-guard (Tovi)]

@Marsius-bleeding-hollow

Lol, why is sitting around a crime?

Letting the killer of your father and chief go free with a pat on the head is a crime.

Letting the person that sacked your homeland go free with a pat on the head is a crime.

Telling the families of a village destroyed by humans and dwarves that they were “valid military targets” should be a crime.

Building a wall to protect your people from gryphon riders should definitely be a crime. Charge? Stupidity.

Exiling his people that wanted to get revenge against the humans and dwarves that killed their family should also be a crime, especially when Baine’s warchief, you know, the person he swore to follow, authorized said revenge. The orcs and Calder Gray got revenge for Camp Taurajo, not the tauren.

Writing love letters to the enemy should be a crime.

Watching someone plague your people and do nothing about it is a crime.

Killing members of your own faction to rescue one moldy orc-killing human is a crime.

Valuing the lives of this moldy orc-killing human and some human chick over your entire race is a crime.

Getting a brand new member of the Horde killed to rescue the moldy orc-killing human should also be a crime.

Suggesting we should surrender to the Alliance at the funeral of a Horde ally should be punishable by death.

Getting captured four freaking times and making me waste my time rescuing him should be a crime.

Not bothering to show up to a siege against the capital of your alliance because your fee-fees are hurt is a crime. Best part about this is before the smoke cleared from Saurfang’s corpse, he was standing in the throne room of Stormwind, fee-fees completely fine now.

Another example of him being completely stupid and should be a crime is him asking you what you think about a group of centaurs he’s never met (and has never captured him), seeing that they work with the green dragon flight, which we all know is a good group of folks, then saying “I’M GONNA HATE THEM ANYWAYS”. This is the same tauren that wags their finger at you for not getting along with humans.