Lol, why is sitting around a crime?
If people are upset at Baine for that, why aren’t folks upset at every major lore character/faction leader that didn’t even show up?
Why not get all pissy at Jaina and Thrall? Because they were there in one/two questlines, it was okay? Alright then, lol.
I just wonder why people are laser-focused on Baine when others are guilty of the same thing.
Baine just appears in Oribos so that makes it worse somehow?
Baine Bloodhoof is a chuck steak.
He’ll go great with Smokey BBQ sauce.
guys a unicorn has appeared. a baine supporter. the only npc that has a smaller fanbase then veressa windrunner.
Monthly Baine hate thread is a tradition now
There’s a good reason for it 
Baine exiled fellow Tauren for being vengeful when the Alliance murdered their family members.
Should call it BBQ Baine Day
It was so cool to me that they used Bovan Windtotem the guy who used Baines hair to help locate him in WC 3 and helped save him from the Centaurs as the death that finally sent him over the edge.
The writers actually did their job for once.
If you actually took the time to pay attention to the lore, do some research and think about things instead of just playing the game at face value, you’d understand why he’s in the Horde.
But alas, a grand fraction of players don’t pay attention to lore and just the gameplay itself.
Thing is, a lot of the time he “sided with the Alliance at the Horde’s expense” were also moments when the wraters were on a “Hode bad/evil” kick and Baine, love him or hate him, tries to be his father’s son. I am not saying Cairn would side with the alliance, but he would likely conceed that Camp T was a viable target yet still make it clear that, viable target or not, you DON’T firebomb a civillian town/camp, you either take the camp over, and hold the civilians under marshal law or allow the civilians to escape to safety/out of the area before you move in, those that don’t can be considered prisoners.
hey now, just bc hes a tauren doesn’t mean he has to be horde.
My issue in that aspect is this.
When Baine “confronted” Sylvanas about killing the Horde, and his own Tauren…he walked away mumbling “for the horde”
When Baine confronted and stood up to Sylvanas for possibly hurting members of the Alliance, he stood his ground and rebelled.
I am absolutely fine with the concept of Baine standing up for his values. I just want him to do it for Horde reasons, not Alliance reasons.
He wouldnt exile Tauren who attempted to fight back?
LOL that pic is just depressing
He could have seen it as if he did not walk away, Sylvanas would see that as all the tauren being trators, or that they were unwilling to sacrifice themselves for the good of the Horde. Keep in mind that sacrificing ones self for their faction/people cold be seen as “honorable”
If going by the honor aspect, what Sylvanas was doing would have been beyond dishonorable. Is honor a Horde reason or Alliance one?
He might make it clear that they were on their own if going for revenge, but exile? only if they brought the Alliance wrath down on TB or were causing other issues within TB.
But thats my point.
Its honorable for Baine to protect the Alliance.
Baine is a traitor for protecting other Tauren?
Thats backwards. He is written backwards.
No, it’s funny. Not depressing.
I wish the argument was more “it’s honorable not to protect alliance, but to keep them from seeing the Horde as dishonorable”. Keep in mind, what Baine stood up for when it came to allaince was using Jaina’s risen brother as an assassin or something, which Baine, and others, could see as dishonorable. Who is to say he woul have objected as much to having the brother on the front lines, possibly leading troops against Jaina/the Allaince in open combat?
No, Baine is not a traitor for protecting other Tauren, but what would happen if, with that protection, he painted a target on the back of all tauren? I could jsut see BFA Sylvanas being like “your people are not willing to sacrifice themselves for the Horde? fine, you will now be cannon fodder or die by Horde blades”.
Ok…
But he did that when it came to the Alliance.
Thats my point.
Please tell me you see that?
When Baine stood up to Sylvanas to protect the Alliance he painted a target on the back of all Tauren. And that was honorable.
But Baine should not have stood up to Sylvanas to protect the Tauren because he MIGHT paint a target on the back of all Tauren.
Really? Even in the midst of this armistice, (which still exists by a fraction of a hair strand, btw,) do you truly think Tauren would be allowed into the Alliance nevermind have an interest to join them?
In history, the tauren have been tossed left and right between races of the Alliance. Over time, their peaceful society was more noticed, especially their ties to druidism by the Night Elves and their shamanistic touch. They are still very much ‘beasts’ in the term of it, which is why they get along with the Horde rather well. The Horde are comprised of races that have no where else to turn to or were otherwise turned down/seen as enemy by the Alliance.
It is not that I don’t see it, I think you and others are missing what was actually the reason he did it.
To me, when he stood up to Sylvanas, which did have the effect of protecting the Alliance, he was actually protecting the heart and soul of the Horde that Thrall founded, one that would not resort to such tactics
The thing is, Baine should have stood up to Sylvanas, but in this case he might have been put in the place of “do I sacrifice a few Tauren lives or risk all of them if I refuse this crazy undead warchief”