Azure Waterstrider and my anger

[Liolang-daggerspine]

Again… nothing was “removed” just changed.

AGAIN…YES…IT WAS REMOVED.
The Strider NO LONGER HAS the INHERENT WWing that it had yesterday.
Lord…

[Jops-zuljin]

The fact that you think anything in wow is “virtual propert” is a joke…

the real issue… that 8.2 content so far is gaaaaarbage for any MMO…

You understand what an MMORPG is yes? Risk, reward, growth, acquisition, progression… the illusion of virtual property is the cornerstone upon which all that, and more, is built.

When that cornerstone crumbles, the rest comes tumbling down. Motivation, enjoyment, a sense of accomplishment… it all becomes meaningless because the reward system is meaningless, the sense of progression and acquisition is meaningless.

When that illusion is gone. All that’s left is “Why the hell did I ever bother with this crap in the first place.”

And sure. 8.2 is more polish on a stinker, no surprise there, given what I experienced on the PTR. Maybe I’ll enjoy dismantling some garbage-gnomes in Mechagon, I dunno. Probably not enough to overcome my current annoyance at what Blizzard is doing to the game I’ve loved for so many years.

[Raiyyn-area-52]

Anybody who looks in the bug forum will see that a lot of people have already had their “mount equipment” simply disappear. That includes me on several characters.

I hadn’t seen that yet. I will be really mad when I get home…

[Kiwì-dentarg (Kiwì)]

I like this mount. What’s your point?

I apologize for misreading your post. I too like my bug and ride it often.

[Liolang-daggerspine]

You can still use it the exact same. Lol at your projections.

actually,…NO…you CANT.
I have maybe two dozen characters left that I DIDNT delete who are below 100.
NONE of their striders walk on water currently.
So no…you CANT use it ‘the exact same’ as it was 48 hours ago.

[Parìyah-emerald-dream]

You can still use it the exact same. Lol at your projections.

Except I can’t. I can’t just get on it and walk on water like I could two days ago. If I want to do that I have to equip a piece of equipment and I have to make sure all of my other characters have that equipment to. And any time I want to change that equipment I have to repurchase it. It’s not even remotely the same.

[Jops-zuljin]

the issue is that they want to use the water strider for WW and use their other amounts with some other piece of equipment from the new system

Please explain to me why that’s wrong, when we can use consumables and have ALL those effects active AT THE SAME TIME?

Seriously. I can’t have a choice between two mounts that don’t share abilities because… why?

[Wulm-aerie-peak (Wulm)]

If they left the waterstrider to have Water Walking but disabled any equipment for it, would you guys take that as a win? (ie, no double effects for that mount)

Just trying to determine the underlying root cause of all this anger.

[Lunarial-greymane (Lunarial)]

The fact remains there was no reason to break the waterstrider. They could have left it as is and just not allowed us to equip any mount equipment to it.

They broke the waterstrider simply because they were upset so many players utilized something they gave us.

[Liolang-daggerspine]

the illusion of virtual property is the cornerstone upon which all that, and more, is built.

When that cornerstone crumbles, the rest comes tumbling down. Motivation, enjoyment, a sense of accomplishment… it all becomes meaningless because the reward system is meaningless, the sense of progression and acquisition is meaningless.

Im not buying this crap theyre pushing that they dont ‘get it’.
They KNOW full well what we’re talking about and they know it.
NOTHING is the game is WORTH putting the time in for if blizzard can just rip it away…or take what it WAS away…on a whim.

Why in odins name would I EVER do another grind in this game for ANYthing…especially a mount for my lowbies…when blizzard has now proven that they can and will just TAKE what I earned, repackage it and REsell it to me.

I wouldnt
And I wont.
Farming mats and running classic dungeons is ALL I do from now on.

[Jops-zuljin]

On the water strider, you could actually jump from a modest height and not take fall damage, thus avoiding dismounting.

Great post! But in the interests of accuracy, the “Falling damage breaks WW-equipment buff” problem was fixed on PTR before it went live. (Not sure if they rolled back the fix, but I doubt it)

They also increased the number of mounts that could successfully jump back on top of the water if you remounted while swimming. 40% of the mounts couldn’t, now it’s closer to 20% of the mounts can’t.

AFAIK still can’t remount on the red cloud flying disk while swimming, which is just stupid… but whatever.

[Ebonlocke-fizzcrank (Ebonlocke)]

OK grandpa. Vietnam was a long time ago.

[Kyraz-galakrond (Kyraz)]

I get what you’re saying and hope that at the same you get what I am?

Pretty much.

If you get that what I’m mostly angry at is:

1. It’s a loss of player agency and freedom

2. it makes the notion of ‘virtual property’ a total joke, demotivating people from making the effort for future rewards

3. it’s a -functional- nerf, sugar coated as a ‘cosmetic upgrade’

4. it lays the groundwork for more mount nerfs come 9.0 and more time-gated pathfinder nonsense to earn them back again.

5. it’s a terribly considered and badly implemented hack, considering how many people are completely confused about how it really works.

If you get all that then we’re getting close to being on the same page.

Bingo. When you wrap up all of the complaints and player frustrations, this describes what Blizzard is systematically doing to all of their players and how the current state of game makes me feel.

Some don’t care, others are increasingly disturbed at the lack of respect Blizzard appears to have for their remaining players.

I have far less motivation for working very hard for anything in this game any more. This is not the Blizzard of old at work any more.

MO

[Brahmina-khadgar (Brahmina)]

It’s Not A big deal

You know, just because something isn’t a “ big deal ” to you, doesn’t mean it isn’t an issue for anyone else. Your opinion does not invalidate anyone else’s.

[Sindo-stormrage]

Instead of that, they’ll give Tailoring a pattern to make a feather trinket allowing all mounts to fly. Make everyone the exact same then no one can complain.

[Jops-zuljin]

So you’re saying that this change is okay because some people were bothered by what mount me or someone else chooses to use?

Sounds like only “Serious Farmers” were bothered by bugs & bots anyway. How special snowflakey can you get? Seeing mounts you’re tired of is part of the ‘cost of doing business’… what happened to the ol’“Rub some dirt on it and get back out there” mentality?

entitled Millennial snowflakes, pff.

[Brahmina-khadgar (Brahmina)]

they’ll give Tailoring a pattern to make a feather trinket allowing all mounts to fly.

The worst thing about this statement is that I can easily imagine it happening.

[Ravens-sargeras (Ravens)]

Why is it that I can move around MoP when Im level 80 without having all these problems like in BFA?
No…it AINT the same.
I am in MoP content a lot and its nothing like BFA where you cant move without being mobbed.

this is with the new scaling. i was referring to back when that content was new. @ level 90, such as when isle of thunder in 5.2 or timeless isle first launched in patch 5.4, you’d get dazed left and right, and wasnt until you geared up some in that patch’s gear that the dazing became less of an issue.

Same in WoD and Legion. so dunno why anyone not expect the same for BFA…

[Ravensèyé-tichondrius]

It’s only fair that we all get the Mighty Caravan Brutosaur mount. They have an unfair advantage and they are only used for one thing. It’s “fugly” too.

Cmon blizzard, it’s not fair. gimme gimme

[Jops-zuljin]

If they left the waterstrider to have Water Walking but disabled any equipment for it, would you guys take that as a win? (ie, no double effects for that mount)

It would be a win, yes. It is also the most frequently made request in all the strider threads:

“Let striders keep their ability and make them exempt from mount equipment, exactly like Sky Golems.”